Week 5 Discussion Thread. - Page 20

SuperPacker · 10-05-2012, 06:27 PM

the thing is, you dont even need stats to say anything about eli. just watch him play and you'll know he isn't elite. it's not hard. well for non giants fans anyway.

bearsfan_51 · 10-05-2012, 06:28 PM

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Our run game and seasonal defense has been worse than average the last 3 years. Also, I'm actually pretty sure we do push throw deep more than almost any other team.

If that were true, Eli's YPA would be much higher.

bearsfan_51 · 10-05-2012, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

the thing is, you dont even need stats to say anything about eli. just watch him play and you'll know he isn't elite. it's not hard. well for non giants fans anyway.

And this is also true. There isn't one Eli fan making an argument for him. But to BBD, everyone else is a "hater".

y.f.s. · 10-05-2012, 06:30 PM

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If that were true, Eli's YPA would be much higher.

He was #1 in the league last year in terms of yardage accumulated through the air (eliminating YAC numbers).

edit: He's 1st this year. Ended up 2nd place last year behind Brees. He was 3rd in 2010. 5th in 2009. 11th in 2008.

Giantsfan1080 · 10-05-2012, 06:30 PM

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If that were true, Eli's YPA would be much higher.

Not really. The further you throw the harder it is to complete the pass. Eli was the best statistically at the deep ball last year but we still attempt it so much it lowers his YPA.

bigbluedefense · 10-05-2012, 06:31 PM

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the thing is, you dont even need stats to say anything about eli. just watch him play and you'll know he isn't elite. it's not hard. well for non giants fans anyway.

I can easily see what Eli does that makes him elite, and 80 percent of it is before the snap. And let's not question his arm strength either, he has plenty of arm. Eli makes at least 7 plays a game that leaves me in awe. And it's not always a physical play. Sometimes his mental awareness of the game is very impressive. But I don't expect most ppl on here to recognize that, bc most don't have the ability to read defenses.

bearsfan_51 · 10-05-2012, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by y.f.s.

He was #1 in the league last year in terms of yardage accumulated through the air (eliminating YAC numbers).

edit: He's 1st this year. Ended up 2nd place last year behind Brees.

You're still wrong. He was 3rd. Rodgers was first. At least through the regular season.

gpngc · 10-05-2012, 06:33 PM

I'm not a Giants fan but I think Eli is an elite QB. And the Giants do throw the ball downfield a lot more than most teams.

I'd like to add this to the discussion - something no one has pointed out. Eli CLEARLY makes his teammates better. CLEARLY. Bennett, Ballard, Cruz.

I'd rank em:

1) Rodgers
2) Brady
3) Peyton once he realizes Stokley cannot climb the seam
4) Brees
5) Eli
6) Ben
7) Matt Flynn

All are elite. The best of the bunch.

In an era when the best passers are as good as ever, why can't there be 7 elite guys?

NY+Giants=NYG · 10-05-2012, 06:34 PM

Holy ****! Again with this stuff?! Eli is the most polarized football player I ever seen. People LOVE and I mean LOVE talking about him good or bad. They should give him his own reality show!

SuperPacker · 10-05-2012, 06:34 PM

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I can easily see what Eli does that makes him elite, and 100 percent of it is because im a Giants fan. But I don't expect non Giants fans to recognize that, bc most arent giants homers.

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bearsfan_51 · 10-05-2012, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by gpngc

I'm not a Giants fan but I think Eli is an elite QB. And the Giants do throw the ball downfield a lot more than most teams.

I'd like to add this to the discussion - something no one has pointed out. Eli CLEARLY makes his teammates better. CLEARLY. Bennett, Ballard, Cruz.

I'd rank em:

1) Rodgers
2) Brady
3) Peyton once he realizes Stokley cannot climb the seam
4) Brees
5) Eli
6) Ben
7) Matt Flynn

All are elite. The best of the bunch.

In an era when the best passers are as good as ever, why can't there be 7 elite guys?

Matt Flynn???

I don't think 7 out of 32 players can be considered elite, but I guess it's a relatively subjective word.

bigbluedefense · 10-05-2012, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by gpngc

I'm not a Giants fan but I think Eli is an elite QB. And the Giants do throw the ball downfield a lot more than most teams.

I'd like to add this to the discussion - something no one has pointed out. Eli CLEARLY makes his teammates better. CLEARLY. Bennett, Ballard, Cruz.

I'd rank em:

1) Rodgers
2) Brady
3) Peyton once he realizes Stokley cannot climb the seam
4) Brees
5) Eli
6) Ben
7) Matt Flynn

All are elite. The best of the bunch.

In an era when the best passers are as good as ever, why can't there be 7 elite guys?

Nonsense. He looks like he has downs and plays with the best defense and run game ever. Lulz, did he even throw 35 Tds?

Brodeur · 10-05-2012, 06:35 PM

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Holy ****! Again with this stuff?! Eli is the most polarized football player I ever seen. People LOVE and I mean LOVE talking about him good or bad. They should give him his own reality show!

Michael Vick disagrees.

bigbluedefense · 10-05-2012, 06:36 PM

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Sorry, but you're like 13. I don't take your opinion seriously.

y.f.s. · 10-05-2012, 06:37 PM

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You're still wrong. He was 3rd. Rodgers was first. At least through the regular season.

Oh.

/doesn'tcountbecauseit'sPFF

SuperPacker · 10-05-2012, 06:38 PM

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Sorry, but you're like 13. I don't take your opinion seriously.

bearsfan_51 · 10-05-2012, 06:38 PM

Ah. I was saying per pass. That would make far more sense in this case.

bigbluedefense · 10-05-2012, 06:39 PM

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Ah. I was saying per pass. Anybody can accumulate yards if they throw it enough.

Now you just pissed off every Lions fan.

Brodeur · 10-05-2012, 06:39 PM

Look at all those yards from drops Stafford has.

bigbluedefense · 10-05-2012, 06:42 PM

Oh and for the record, Cover 2 still sucks.

y.f.s. · 10-05-2012, 06:43 PM

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Ah. I was saying per pass. That would make far more sense in this case.

Gotcha.

Eli's an interesting QB to discuss for a couple of reasons. The first is that his development has been gradual and consistent. Consistency week-to-week was a huge issue for him, but in terms of the overall development year-to-year, I can't really think of a similar player.

You also have the issue of the run-and-shoot concepts they run, and how turnover inducing that offense can be if everyone is not on the same page and seeing the same things.

y.f.s. · 10-05-2012, 06:44 PM

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Oh and for the record, Cover 2 still sucks.

Cover 2 is just a coverage concept. It's not a defense.

Stop trolling bruh, you're better than that.

bigbluedefense · 10-05-2012, 06:45 PM

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Gotcha.

Eli's an interesting QB to discuss for a couple of reasons. The first is that his development has been gradual and consistent. Consistency week-to-week was a huge issue for him, but in terms of the overall development year-to-year, I can't really think of a similar player.

You also have the issue of the run-and-shoot concepts they run, and how turnover inducing that offense can be if everyone is not on the same page and seeing the same things.

Thank you. Most ppl on here don't have a clue about the system we run. I'm not saying Eli is never at fault, but you're gonna have INTS with this system, it comes with the territory. I used to hate it but I've grown to love it. It gives you a chance vs any defense. And that versatility is priceless.

bigbluedefense · 10-05-2012, 06:46 PM

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Cover 2 is just a coverage concept. It's not a defense.

Stop trolling bruh, you're better than that.

I know. It's just a thing I like doing to bf.

NY+Giants=NYG · 10-05-2012, 06:46 PM

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Michael Vick disagrees.

Vick killed dogs. He gets talked about for stupid stuff he does. Let's see now..

Ron Mexico
Herpes to a woman
Middle finger to his own fan base
Dogs
Water bottled filled with Pot getting taken by Miami Airport

And the whole potential of what could he be if he can stay healthy. I think the media still expects that whole amazing career where the guy can change the game the way it's played. He didn't, so they moved to Vince Young. That didn't work so Cam newton is the guy. And now Bob is in the NFL. So let's see how they do.

But Vick does dumb things so he gets talked about.