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Old 10-06-2012, 02:53 PM    (permalink
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The touchdown he threw to Lee is the some of the most arm strength ive seen out of him in a long time.
To be honest i always thought he had a strong arm going all the way back to highschool.
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To be honest i always thought he had a strong arm going all the way back to highschool.
As do I, but he doesnt show it off enough.
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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The touchdown he threw to Lee is the some of the most arm strength ive seen out of him in a long time.
You mean the one that hung up in the air that Lee had to stop and wait for?

Not an attack at you, but I never see the same things other people see with USC QBs. Ever.
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Yeah, it hung for a second but like I said in my last post...he never seems to want to show it off. I feel like had he put that more on a line it would have been perfect. If you go back to his high school film it seemed like he made throws of that distance regularly and put them on a line most times. Idk they just seemed to come out with more zip.
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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You'd think his arm would be stronger with all the masturbating he must do because he won't smash on all them fine USC girls.
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You'd think his arm would be stronger with all the masturbating he must do because he won't smash on all them fine USC girls.
He probably frowns upon whacking it as well...

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Yeah, it hung for a second but like I said in my last post...he never seems to want to show it off. I feel like had he put that more on a line it would have been perfect. If you go back to his high school film it seemed like he made throws of that distance regularly and put them on a line most times. Idk they just seemed to come out with more zip.
I get what you're saying, because he very often doesn't follow all the way through with his throwing motion. Will cut it short and try to "place" the throw.
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You mean the one that hung up in the air that Lee had to stop and wait for?

Not an attack at you, but I never see the same things other people see with USC QBs. Ever.
Quit hating. It hung up in the air because it was thrown 50+ yards. Who in the NFL do you know can throw it 50+ yards on a line?

Anywho, if you measure the distance from throw to catch, it was 58 yards with a tight spiral all the way through. That's the same distance as this throw from Mike Vick to Desean Jackson in this video. Again, measure the yardage from throw to catch.



And yes, Lee did have to stop and wait for it, but it was thrown pretty far already. Anything more would be elite arm strength. The bottom line is this: Matt Barkley has above average arm strength for an NFL QB. He's at his best on short to intermediate routes, but does need to work on his deep ball.
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Mike Vick threw that ball from his own 3 yard line all the way to the SKins 35 yard line where Desean caught it. 62 yards in the air, a little more than 58.

If Barkley really does have a live arm, he becomes a franchise type prospect.
What I don't understand is as a prep all I heard about him was mainly about his arm strength. Being able to throw the football 58 yards classifies as a strong arm IMO. So why doesn't he display it more in an offense that's designed to exploit the talents of a QB with deep ball skills??

Or maybe that's just it, Barkley may not have great accuracy beyond 25-40 yards, like Rex Grossman.

Really I think being from USC will hurt Barkley's final evaluation by scouts more than his actual tools or game film.
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Barkley is capable of making the deep throw with zip, and some of them look beautiful.

I remember a bomb to Marquise Lee against Oregon, about 50 yards in the air for around 1 second, leading to a 59 yard TD. But he opts to go to the flat or the shorter route more often (like Ponder circa 2012).

While his deep balls look beautiful and fairly quick, they're way off target if he puts zip on the deep ball. He's just not that accurate a deep thrower (that 3 for 15 completion rate from deep sounds fairly consistent from his prior years).
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The question isn't how far you can throw it, but how far you can throw a frozen rope.

Arm strength isn't measured in distance. It's measured in seconds. Seconds to complete a 25 yard out throw from the opposite hash, without stepping into it.
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Has anyone so far had serious questions about Barkley's zip on intermediate passes?? I thought that was the best part of his game.
The negatives were mostly his ability to drive the ball downfield.
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Honestly, this forum thinks everyone except Kellen Moore has a strong arm.
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Considering the core he usually got in college, Barkley could work on a team with a good slot WR and a guy who can stretch the field. Buffalo might do nicely for a guy like Barkley.
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Arm strength isn't measured in distance. It's measured in seconds. Seconds to complete a 25 yard out throw from the opposite hash, without stepping into it.
You realize that how far you can throw it is directly correlated to how fast you can throw it right? It's basic projectile motion physics stuff...
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I think there is too much nit-picking with Barkley's game. I will agree i don't see enough of him to consider him an elite prospect. I got to watch USC Thursday night and I will say, he has the command of a Franchise QB. He's got an arm no weaker than Matt Ryan's and his arm is just strong enough.

I seem as a tweener between Ryan and Andy Dalton coming out, only difference is coming from a bigger school .
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There are two levels of arm strength on the DC forums: Rocket arm and noodle arm. No QB can possibly be somewhere in between.
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I'm more concerned about his size and lack of athleticism than his arm strength. He can make the throws but he's too small. That lack of size will be a lot more of a problem in the pros (where everyone is big and fast) than it is in college.
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He's listed at 6'2 but I wouldn't be shocked if he measured up at around 6 feet. He doesn't look very tall to me.
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measure in at 6'1" and 3/4 in spring practice.
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I mean, he would measure in at 6'2" in cleats so...its whatever.
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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You can eyeball him and tell that he's not very tall or big just by comparing him to the other players. Usually if you are that small in the NFL you are a little more atlhletic that Barkley is if you're going to be successful.
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You can eyeball him and tell that he's not very tall or big just by comparing him to the other players. Usually if you are that small in the NFL you are a little more atlhletic that Barkley is if you're going to be successful.
Funny how he's considered small now but I remember trying to sack him in HS and used to think "**** this guy's thick, go down ************!"
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well high school, nfl, two different things.
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