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Old 03-16-2007, 03:31 PM    (permalink
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Just read all your stories. Moral of the story...play cash games. I have no dreams of seeing my face on ESPN, I just want enough money so I'll never have to get a real job.

Playing poker online is more stressful than brain surgery. I agree with what you said about it.

Didn't you end up going to see GW? I saw they took it. Then got blown out in the big one, but at least they made it.

Listening to the UNLV game right now.
Reigle, my friends played cash games and hit it big. For me, I'm just a better tournament player. I was supposed to get a bonus at work, but they delayed it until the end of the month, so my bankroll was really low. I really only had $200 to spend on poker. I wasn't about to put myself in a position to lose my entire bankroll on Day 1, so I did the tournaments and played well. Of course, if I had played as well at the cash tables as I did playing tournaments, I would have made out like gangbusters...
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Well obviously the biggest negative about online poker is that you don't get to see your opponents and can't read them.
I just mean that I have a hard time trusting online poker. No need to state the obvious. It just seems like the cards fall off in perfect sequence in order to promote the biggest pots (and rakes) possible. Not always, but I did notice that there was an extraordinary number of such occurrences. People who play a ton of poker get a feel for how often certain things are going to happen, and they expect it. Online, it seems like strange things happen every other hand. Odds don't seem true. I'm sure there are legitimate sites to play at, but I never found them. I want to see the dealer in front of my face. Not some card showing up on my screen from who knows where.
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I agree with your concerns, duck. It is a big concern of mine, as well. When I first joined Fulltilt, it seemed like the programming was very randomized. Cards came out randomly, and there weren't a ton of big hands. As time went by, it seemed like they skewed the cards a bit to give one person first nuts and another second nuts on every hand. There were a lot of outdraws and crazy river cards to catch runner runner crap. When I could play the best odds possible and get my money in with the best hand every time and still lose $20, I said it was time to stop. I'd rather play for real than deal with this other stuff.
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I forgot to mention this in my first post. I don't know how it works at other casino's, but if your friends played a cash game for more than four hours at The Trop, they'll get the poker rate for rooms that really cuts it down from normal rates. That is assuming one of them had a Trop Poker Club card and got them scanned.

Or you don't mind the timeshare thing lol........then by all means. It's actually a really good idea if you'd have to pay for your own room.
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I forgot to mention this in my first post. I don't know how it works at other casino's, but if your friends played a cash game for more than four hours at The Trop, they'll get the poker rate for rooms that really cuts it down from normal rates. That is assuming one of them had a Trop Poker Club card and got them scanned.

Or you don't mind the timeshare thing lol........then by all means. It's actually a really good idea if you'd have to pay for your own room.
My buddy Christian can get us a poker room rate if we wanted to. Same goes for my buddies Matt, Mark, Tony, and Howard. I'm near qualifying for a poker room rate myself. Regardless, when I go to stay at the Fairfield Resort in AC, I'm guaranteed free parking on the boardwalk, jacuzzi in my room, kitchen in my room, computer lab on site, full gym to work out, and all kinds of other resort amenities included with my stay. I can also take the points and go to any Fairfield or Wyndham Resort in the world.
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Oh forgot about this thread. At about 4pm eastern time afternoon I will be leaving work and rushing home. Changing quickly and getting on the road to get down to the Trop ASAP.
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Awesome! Good luck. Playing some $1/$2 NL?
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I'm not sure. I might not actually play poker at all. I'm only going down with only one buddy and his brother, and they play zero poker. More of a roulette guys, which I am also quite fond of that game. So instead of splitting up I might just play mostly roulette tonight since it is because of him I am even going down. Especially since the poker room is so far away from where most of the roulette tables are in the trop.
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I just mean that I have a hard time trusting online poker. No need to state the obvious. It just seems like the cards fall off in perfect sequence in order to promote the biggest pots (and rakes) possible. Not always, but I did notice that there was an extraordinary number of such occurrences. People who play a ton of poker get a feel for how often certain things are going to happen, and they expect it. Online, it seems like strange things happen every other hand. Odds don't seem true. I'm sure there are legitimate sites to play at, but I never found them. I want to see the dealer in front of my face. Not some card showing up on my screen from who knows where.
I've noticed that also.

The worst part is being ahead on the hand by a big margin, only to lose it on a river. I know that happens during regular games, but it seems to happen during online games WAY TOO OFTEN.
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My friend and I were discussing who the best players in the world are.

All of poker i'd have to say Andy Bloch and Chip Reese

Texas Hold 'em it depends whether it's a cash game or tourney.

Tourney i'd say Phil Ivey and Daniel Negreanu.

Cash games i'd say Chip Reese and Todd Brunson and no one is even close to them.

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Guys is it possible for us to set a game up??? I don't really know how to set up an exclusive table online, but I'm sure there is a way.

We should do it for bragging rights only though.
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I think there is a way to do it on pokerstars.net but i'm not sure.
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I play every weekend at the casinos in the San Diego area. I'm actually up like a total of 800 dollars in the past 3 weeks. I love how popular poker has got on TV because now everyone thinks they are a superstar at the table. So many backfired reads its ridiculous
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Sunday me and a friend went to the Taj for the 6:10 $100 tournament. 72 people registered. I wasnt getting cards all night, but some how there were only 13 people left and I still had around 9400 in front of me. We started with 5000. With the blinds being 800-1600 and 200 antes. I look down at AA. The first person to act with only 1200 left goes all in. The next guy folds. Now its up to me and there are 5 people after me to act. So I decide to just call and hope someone raises and tries to steal the blinds. The next guy calls and the button folds. Both of the blinds call. So I kind of got what I wanted a pretty big pot and I decide what ever happens after the flop im pushing. The flop comes 2 7 8 rainbow. Both blinds check the other guy is already all in. I Push with my remaining 7200. The chip leader of the whole tournament to the left of me calls immediately. Everyone else folds. He shows 8 9 off suit. The turn is an 9 the river is an 8. I was sick. I played perfect the whole time only playing 6 hands over a 3 hour span, and winning all 6 of them hands.
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Sucks, dude, but I think you played it wrong. When you have a big pair and the blinds are that large and someone else is all in, you have to make a move to take down pots. Especially with A-A, you have to isolate. With 13 players left, there should have been 2 tables, 1 with 7, 1 with 6. Looks like your table had 7 at it. Between the antes and blinds, plus the all-in ahead of you, there was $5000 in the pot. If you push all in, it is highly unlikely that most of the other people call you. Since it was late in the tournament, you probably don't get more than 1 call. The hands that can call are other pocket pairs (you're a 80% favorite), AK (90% favorite), and perhaps a bad call with an A-x (likely AQ-A-9, you're a 92% favorite). Depending on the size of the chip leader's stack, he might have decided that eliminating 2 players was worth the risk, meaning you were probably fahked anyway.

By letting people limp, you let hands like 8-9os get in the pot. When you called, the pot was $6600, and the cutoff had position, the big stack, and had to pay $1600 to see a pot of $8200 (more than 5:1 pot odds). If you include the implied odds of the small blind, he had 5.6:1 pot odds. With your stack only $9500 (give or take), you're hoping to chase everyone else, win the all-in, and add 50% or more to your stack. You have several things going for you in this case. First, your table image is incredibly tight, so these other players should give you credit for a huge hand if you're moving to isolate. Secondly, your all-in for 9000 makes the pot $14000 or so. The big stack now has to pay $9000 to see a pot of $23000. His odds are less than 3:1, so he shouldn't make that call. Given that the blinds just called and checked with huge odds, they probably would have had to throw away their hands. If you get called by one of these guys, you are a pretty huge favorite to at least win a side pot of over $14000. If you push and lose to the short stack, you still get $400 chance and have a stack of $7800.

Fact is, aces are a huge favorite against any random hand, but when you start having other people in the pot, the odds of you winning shrinks. You want an all-in heads up and nothing else, maybe 1 caller at best. Basically, you limped and gave odds to the cutoff and blinds to call and check. Late stage of a tournament, you can't get cute when you are a shorter stack. You have to steal pots when you can and get a little lucky. You really can't afford to get cute with the rockets.
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I admit I was being a pig, but even so after the flop I was a huge favorite he had 7 outs in the whole deck, and he hit 2 of them lol.
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I am in agreement with you on that. It was a crappy beat. You should have won. My problem here was that you limped to possibly win an extra $2400 chips (if anyone folded), when you likely would have won $5000 with less of a problem. $5000 is a really nice pot and gives you breathing room. You take advantage of your table image, bump your stack to $14k, and then you play some more. Even so, I'm really surprised that the big stack instacalled you with 8-9 on that board... God I love and hate AC...
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Sunday me and a friend went to the Taj for the 6:10 $100 tournament. 72 people registered. I wasnt getting cards all night, but some how there were only 13 people left and I still had around 9400 in front of me. We started with 5000. With the blinds being 800-1600 and 200 antes. I look down at AA. The first person to act with only 1200 left goes all in. The next guy folds. Now its up to me and there are 5 people after me to act. So I decide to just call and hope someone raises and tries to steal the blinds. The next guy calls and the button folds. Both of the blinds call. So I kind of got what I wanted a pretty big pot and I decide what ever happens after the flop im pushing. The flop comes 2 7 8 rainbow. Both blinds check the other guy is already all in. I Push with my remaining 7200. The chip leader of the whole tournament to the left of me calls immediately. Everyone else folds. He shows 8 9 off suit. The turn is an 9 the river is an 8. I was sick. I played perfect the whole time only playing 6 hands over a 3 hour span, and winning all 6 of them hands.
Wasn't it Doyle Bronson that said that pocket rockets is one of the worst hands you can start out with?

He said, when you win with them, it's ussually small, but when you lose, IT'S HUGE.
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Doyle likes playing big pocket pairs, but he says that you have to play them aggressively in a cash game (Doyle's preferred medium) because if you don't play them strongly, you have a tendency to lose a big pot. Doyle would rather win a small pot than lose a big one. I think that's apt philosophy. Of course, any person would rather win a big pot any day...
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The general rule is that amateurs tend to lose more money playing with bigger pocket pairs because they can't bet the proper amount to win these pots, and they can't fold the hands. When people get cute with their big pairs and big hands, they sometimes let in other hands and get outdrawn. No matter what, on any given draw, it is possible for any hand to beat any other.
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Doyle likes playing big pocket pairs, but he says that you have to play them aggressively in a cash game (Doyle's preferred medium) because if you don't play them strongly, you have a tendency to lose a big pot. Doyle would rather win a small pot than lose a big one. I think that's apt philosophy. Of course, any person would rather win a big pot any day...
Yeah, that is a good philosophy.

I have a very bad history with pocket rockets, and most of that was because I was playing them slow.
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My rule with rockets is that when I limp with them and don't hit a piece, I will often release them against a scary board or if I make a read. Of course, if I hit a huge chunk, I will immediately play them for value. My main rule is that after second preflop position (#4 overall), I will not limp with A's or K's. It's just dumb to get too cute with them. I'd rather take a small pot or play then heads up or against 2 other players than risk it.
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My rule with rockets is that when I limp with them and don't hit a piece, I will often release them against a scary board or if I make a read. Of course, if I hit a huge chunk, I will immediately play them for value. My main rule is that after second preflop position (#4 overall), I will not limp with A's or K's. It's just dumb to get too cute with them. I'd rather take a small pot or play then heads up or against 2 other players than risk it.
What if you are playing against VERY loose players, that will call big bets with 3 6 off-suit of something like that?
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