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Old 04-17-2007, 04:04 PM    (permalink
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Wow, BBD is a gigantic pushover. What a wimp who won't stand up for his principles. How could anyone love you now?
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Wow, BBD is a gigantic pushover. What a wimp who won't stand up for his principles. How could anyone love you now?
Lol, someone rep Bsaza for me, everytime I try it tells me I have to spread it around first.

Mama loves me. Thats all that matters. =)
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I don't need rep for giving you crap in a funny and friendly way. It's really not necessary.
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I don't need rep for giving you crap in a funny and friendly way. It's really not necessary.
Na, I wanted to rep you for your earlier posts where you broke down your reasoning.

Im surprised no one called me crazy yet for picking Houston to make the playoffs...
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Na, I wanted to rep you for your earlier posts where you broke down your reasoning.

Im surprised no one called me crazy yet for picking Houston to make the playoffs...
Oh, i didnt see that before and no cowboys....

Man, you crazy!
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I figured you threw that Houston pick in there to mess with the rest of us. Like maybe if BBD can make a mistake, then there's hope for the rest of us...
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well BBD wanted to throw houston in there because nobody REALLY thinks they'll make it and he's messing with us, BUT if they somehow do make it BBD will look like even more of a genius
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If you think about it, they really can get in.

Their offense is not nearly as bad as Carr made it look. They have a decent oline, and with the ZBS, they'll have a solid run game if they get a good back in the draft. If not, they can still have a decent run game with what they got.

If their HC can make Jake Plummer tolerable...I have high hopes that he can turn Schaub into a winner. Schaub will have a good year there. And Andre Johnson will have a breakout year.

Plus, they have a decent TE that will garner some media attention next year as well.

On defense, they have a playmaker in 2 out of the 3 phases of defense. Theyre a Brandon Merriweather in round 2 away from having a playmaker in all 3 sections of the defense. They will get better defensively with another year of development and with good drafting.

Basically, I feel that if Houston can come out with a good draft, they have the coaching staff and pieces in place to make a spash next year.

And theyre due for the playoffs. In this league of parity, its hard to suck for that long. They gotta make it to the dance sooner or later.

This could be a bulletin in this upcoming year's truths thread come to think of it...*jots this down*
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Before you say that, for my edification, please tell me when was the last time the NFC South had a repeat division champ? Bucs fans had the exact same sentiments last year. Carolina Panthers fans before that. Atlanta fans, well, you get the idea. While New Orleans has an easy schedule, except Atlanta, and Carolina have the exact same schedule, sans playing the 1st place teams from a year ago. Either way; nothing to get mad about, the fact of the matter is this thread means very little. Anyone who reads TMQ knows that even so-called "experts" have crappy predictions.

Oh, and by the way, I want to reinforce the point that the NFC South has never had a repeat division champ.
This isn't the NFC West or AFC East or any other division that's been around for 30+ years we're talking about. The NFC South has been in existance for a grand total of 5 years, so that argument really carries little to no credibility. The fact that there hasn't been a repeat division champion in a division that's only been around since 2002 is a coincidence, not a trend.

I'm not saying that the Saints will win the division, anyway. I'm saying that there's no logic behind picking them to miss the playoffs completely.
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This isn't the NFC West or AFC East or any other division that's been around for 30+ years we're talking about. The NFC South has been in existance for a grand total of 5 years, so that argument really carries little to no credibility. The fact that there hasn't been a repeat division champion in a division that's only been around since 2002 is a coincidence, not a trend.

I'm not saying that the Saints will win the division, anyway. I'm saying that there's no logic behind picking them to miss the playoffs completely.
Dude, since Houston came into the league, here are the breakdowns of division championships:

New England (5)
Indianapolis (4)
Philadelphia (4)
Green Bay (3)
Pittsburgh (2)
Baltimore (2)
Tampa Bay (2)
San Diego (2)

Really, with the exception of the Pats, Colts, and Eagles, there is parity everywhere. Only the Pats and Colts have made the playoffs each of the last 5 years. Everywhere else, there is parity. Most NFL teams rise and fall from year to year. It is not out of the question for the Saints to miss the playoffs. The NFC South is a competitive division. There is no guarantee that the Saints will have any additional success.
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Awfully, I know you're new here, but we don't call the Cowboys "America's Team". This is a self-serving, douchebag thing that they made up themselves. Going forward, please refrain from encouraging them.
Actually this is not true. They don't make this thing up themselves, it was Bob Ryan, the vice-president and editor in Chiefs of NFL films who called the Cowboys America's Team. These were his words in 1978:

After the '78 season, the Cowboys had just lost a crushing Super Bowl to the Steelers. I wanted to come up with a different twist on their team highlight film. I noticed then, and had noticed earlier, that wherever the Cowboys played, you saw people in the stands with Cowboys jerseys and hats and pennants. Plus, they were always the national game on television. If you think back, there has always been one team in each sport that has support from fans nationwide: the Yankees in baseball, Notre Dame in college football, the Boston Celtics in pro basketball. They are all America's teams. So I put that name on the Cowboys' film, and in 1979 the TV announcer for their first game introduced the Cowboys as 'America's Team.' They took a lot of heat for it, but it stuck. Later other clubs like the Atlanta Braves and the U.S. Olympic hockey team have tried to call themselves 'America's Team.' But that name belongs to the Cowboys.
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Actually this is not true. They don't make this thing up themselves, it was Bob Ryan, the vice-president and editor in Chiefs of NFL films who called the Cowboys America's Team. These were his words in 1978:

After the '78 season, the Cowboys had just lost a crushing Super Bowl to the Steelers. I wanted to come up with a different twist on their team highlight film. I noticed then, and had noticed earlier, that wherever the Cowboys played, you saw people in the stands with Cowboys jerseys and hats and pennants. Plus, they were always the national game on television. If you think back, there has always been one team in each sport that has support from fans nationwide: the Yankees in baseball, Notre Dame in college football, the Boston Celtics in pro basketball. They are all America's teams. So I put that name on the Cowboys' film, and in 1979 the TV announcer for their first game introduced the Cowboys as 'America's Team.' They took a lot of heat for it, but it stuck. Later other clubs like the Atlanta Braves and the U.S. Olympic hockey team have tried to call themselves 'America's Team.' But that name belongs to the Cowboys.
I don't care about the story behind the "America's Team" label. What makes you think that anyone cares? I think it's self-serving, elitist, rude, and a prime example of extreme douchebaggery. I don't think any team should put itself above any other team in the NFL, let alone anything else. It is plain crummy behavior, and it sets a bad example for everyone else.

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I don't care about the story behind the "America's Team" label. I think it's self-serving, elitist, rude, and a prime example of douchebaggery. I don't think any team should put itself above anything else. For further details, please see this post: http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/for...9&postcount=25
I think you have to care about it, instead. Because it's very different to say that they call themselves America's Team (as you call yourself america's poster) or that someone call them America's Team with a reason. And that one was the director in chief of NFL films, and he explained why he believed that name belongs to the Cowboys.
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I think you have to care about it, instead. Because it's very different to say that they call themselves America's Team (as you call yourself america's poster) or that someone call them America's Team with a reason. And that one was the director in chief of NFL films, and he explained why he believed that name belongs to the Cowboys.
I call myself America's Poster to show the sheer ludicrousness of the Cowboys calling themselves America's Team. I don't care if Buddha came down from the Moon and declared it on his blog for all the world to see. The Pope could wear an "America's Team" sweatshirt, and it wouldn't matter. The UN could put together a binding resolution, and it would make zero difference.

I personally consider it an affront to every US Olympic Athlete and those playing every sport everywhere for this particular franchise to call itself America's Team. It is plain rude and disrespectful. The Cowboys' history isn't that impressive that they should even have the title, but that's a completely different story.
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My God, BBD, great minds think alike. Either that, or you saw me put Houston in as a wild card and your a poser.
Did you really? I swear I didn't see it. I just skipped everything and went straight to the end of the thread to post my post. Im guessing you feel the same way for the same reasons?

Its not as farfetched as people think. Lol, imagine if our threads wind up being identical. That would be funny.
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BBD and Shiver... separated at birth. Reunited by love of the NFL Draft.

It could be a really bad reality show that is picked up by the DirecTV Access channel or Fox Reality.
Hmmm, if we send the idea to Fox, we just might get our own show, lol.

Shiver must be pissed. He says it first, then I come by 2 pages later, say the same thing, and I get credit for saying it, lol. Im like the enemy HC from Waterboy, stealing Fonz's playbook and taking all the credit for it, lol.
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Well they did finish the season 6-7. With wins over the Jaguars twice, and against the Colts. Three of those losses came by one possession. They started out horribly while they adjusted to the scheme.

They have a young defense, with a lot of talent. They're going to improve by default, just because of experience.

Their offense is going to improve just by two moves; replacing Carr with Schaub. Who I think is a major improvement. As well as adding Ahman Green to the mix at RB. They have also bolstered the O-Line depth, and will surely add more in the draft.

Jerome Mathis is a impact returner, who will be healthy this year.

I really, really like Gary Kubiak as the head coach.
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Im like the enemy HC from Waterboy, stealing Fonz's playbook and taking all the credit for it, lol.
Haha I hate that guy.
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NFC


East - Eagles
West - Seahawks
North - Bears
South - Saints
Wilcards - Cowboys, Panthers



AFC


East - Patriots
West - Chargers
North - Bengals
South - Colts
Wildcards - Ravens, Jaguars
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1. patriots
2. colts
3. broncos
4. bengals
5. chargers
6. jets

(sorry ravens, steelers, and chiefs)

nfc

1. saints
2. eagles
3. bears
4. panthers
5. 49ers
6. buccaneers

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Dude, since Houston came into the league, here are the breakdowns of division championships:

New England (5)
Indianapolis (4)
Philadelphia (4)
Green Bay (3)
Pittsburgh (2)
Baltimore (2)
Tampa Bay (2)
San Diego (2)

Really, with the exception of the Pats, Colts, and Eagles, there is parity everywhere. Only the Pats and Colts have made the playoffs each of the last 5 years. Everywhere else, there is parity. Most NFL teams rise and fall from year to year. It is not out of the question for the Saints to miss the playoffs. The NFC South is a competitive division. There is no guarantee that the Saints will have any additional success.
Hold on, I'm not contending anything that you just said. I never have and never will. I know that there are no guarantees each year, and I'm aware that there is parity everywhere.

I just think it's a little absurd, when discussing why you think a team will or will not make the playoffs, to bring up the fact that a division that has been in existence for only 5 short years has never had a back-to-back champion, as if that holds any real significance. It's coincidence, borderline superstitious, and downright silly. If no NFC South team has won the division in back to back seasons 15 years from now, then I'd start to get a little suspicious.

Anyway, that wasn't even my point. My homerism came shining through, I guess... I just think that RIGHT NOW, at this very moment, the Saints have to be considered one of the 6 best teams in the NFC. I don't think I'm being too ridiculous in saying that they're probably top 3 in the NFC. I understand that these are predictions and really mean nothing at all; I just don't see any logic behind predicting teams like San Francisco, Washington, Atlanta, Green Bay, and Arizona to make the playoffs over the Saints, at this point.
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By the way, here are mine, if anybody wants to pick em apart :)

AFC
East - New England
West - Denver
North - Baltimore
South - Indianapolis
Wild Card - San Diego
Wild Card - Jacksonville

NFC
East - Philadelphia
West - St. Louis
North - Chicago
South - New Orleans
Wild Card - Seattle
Wild Card - Carolina

Eh, I guess I didn't really go out on a huge limb. In total, 8 out of 12 made the playoffs last year. *shrug*
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