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Old 10-17-2012, 07:14 PM    (permalink
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ESPN analyst Trent Dilfer, the Ravens’ quarterback during their title season, didn’t excuse coach Jason Garrett’s clock mismanagement with 21 seconds and one timeout remaining. However, Dilfer believes the blame game should begin with Romo’s ill-advised decision to throw a short pass to a well-covered Dez Bryant in the middle of the field.

“The bottom line is, if you’re Tony Romo, you can’t throw a 2-yard completion in the middle of the field in that situation,” Dilfer said Tuesday on ESPN Radio’s “The Herd” with Colin Cowherd. “Time is more important than downs in that situation. What I mean by that is, time is paramount, completions aren’t.

“You only throw the ball to complete it in the middle of the field if it’s worthwhile, if it’s going to make a significant difference in field position. You don’t make any contested throws in the middle of the field in that situation.
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^^^^^ THIS.
Completely and utterly wrong. In that situation you are trying to get yards and your WRs have to get back to the line. Both Ogletree and Austin were walking towards the line and the oline was standing around. It was a poor showing of preparation.

As soon as Dez hit the ground and Garrett saw Miles and Kevin walking up the field he should of called a timeout and called another play. Instructions to EVERYONE to get out of bounds or SPRINT to the huddle for a spike. That or avoid it in the first place and have a disciplined team rushing to the line for a spike directly after Dez hit.

To call out Romo in that situation is laughable to be honest. Dez in that situation can be electric and could of made a guy miss and then we'd be talking about how great Dez is and how clutch Romo was in the game. To say he should of thrown it away (only option) is revisionist history at its best.

Bottom line was the team was unprepared for the situation. We here Garrett preach on "situation based practicing" but the result was undisciplined and to be frank embarrassing.
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IMO using that route combination was a terrible decision by Garrett to begin with, but if you're going to send 2 decoys deep and gamble on Dez making a corner miss underneath in the middle of the field then you HAVE to use the timeout when the play is blown dead. At that point there would be like 17 or so seconds left, definitely enough time for one, maybe 2, shots to the sideline... or a draw and a spike to set up a more reasonable attempt for Bailey.

Whatever way you want to look at it, Garrett F'd up... again.

Passing on a 52 yard FG at the end of the 1st half and then all of a sudden we're "settling" for a 51 yarder to win the game is laughable. The same thing happened in the Arizona game last year, we passed up a 50 yarder earlier in the game but Garrett said afterwards in the presser that he was "comfortable" with settling from 49 at the end of the game.

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IMO using that route combination was a terrible decision by Garrett to begin with, but if you're going to send 2 decoys deep and gamble on Dez making a corner miss underneath in the middle of the field then you HAVE to use the timeout when the play is blown dead. At that point there would be like 17 or so seconds left, definitely enough time for one, maybe 2, shots to the sideline... or a draw and a spike to set up a more reasonable attempt for Bailey.

Whatever way you want to look at it, Garrett F'd up... again.

Passing on a 52 yard FG at the end of the 1st half and then all of a sudden we're "settling" for a 51 yarder to win the game is laughable. The same thing happened in the Arizona game last year, we passed up a 50 yarder earlier in the game but Garrett said afterwards in the presser that he was "comfortable" with settling from 49 at the end of the game.
I can definintely agree with ya here.

As for your previous post, maybe it's just the frustration in me that makes me want to believe what Dilfer said is true.
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YO, can we talk about the upcoming game instead of all this negative stuff. What are they keys to victory against the Panthers?
I think they've got to blitz Cam. Rob can't play that passive game he calls against mobile quarterbacks. Cam might be difficult to take down, but pressing his receivers and making him make quick decisions through blitzes will really limit what he can do. Sure the guy can do some magic at times with his ability to move, but you can be soft and just let him sit there staring at his guys running all day long. No matter how good your coverage is it can't last too long, so they've got to get good pressure.

On offense it's limiting stupid mistakes. The offense has all the tools to be great, and Carolina has a weak defense. They have to execute!

Oh yeah, no special teams breakdowns. In two out of the three losses special teams breakdowns played a huge part in things. They can't **** up again.
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Completely and utterly wrong. In that situation you are trying to get yards and your WRs have to get back to the line. Both Ogletree and Austin were walking towards the line and the oline was standing around. It was a poor showing of preparation.

As soon as Dez hit the ground and Garrett saw Miles and Kevin walking up the field he should of called a timeout and called another play. Instructions to EVERYONE to get out of bounds or SPRINT to the huddle for a spike. That or avoid it in the first place and have a disciplined team rushing to the line for a spike directly after Dez hit.

To call out Romo in that situation is laughable to be honest. Dez in that situation can be electric and could of made a guy miss and then we'd be talking about how great Dez is and how clutch Romo was in the game. To say he should of thrown it away (only option) is revisionist history at its best.

Bottom line was the team was unprepared for the situation. We here Garrett preach on "situation based practicing" but the result was undisciplined and to be frank embarrassing.

Couldn't agree more here. You have a TO, you can throw the ball wherever you want to, every single yard counts. We were at a 52 yard FG, why would it matter where you threw it with a TO? Gaining a few yards is a huge help. None of what Dilfer said makes any sense what so ever, other then them trying to be different just to be different.
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http://espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/story/...ing-head-coach

As much as Garrett sounds like a good head coach, it's about time for that talk to show in his team's actions.

Garrett constantly preaches about stacking good days together. The Cowboys haven't won consecutive games since November.

Garrett hammers home the importance of winning the turnover battle. The Cowboys have committed the second-most turnovers and forced the fewest in the NFC.

Garrett stresses being a smart, disciplined team. The Cowboys average the most penalties per game in the NFL and can't tell time with the game on the line.

There really is a lot to like about Garrett. Unless that's reflected in his record, it's all irrelevant.

NO progress, thats my biggest complaint. To much talent to be a .500 team year after year after year.
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^^^^^ THIS.
I usually think Dilfer is pretty level headed, but I think he's off here. You have a blitz with man across the board. Dez is your most physical WR and a slant is one of his best routes. If that DB makes even a slight error, Dez takes that to the house and were talking about what a great comeback Romo had. There was plenty of time on the clock and a TO in your pocket. You've got to use the whole field in that situation.

And for the record, Aikman was on teh ticket this morning and had no issue what so ever with the throw.
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And again, we're burrying the lead a bit here, IMO.

We have what we all think is a good kicker, but last year and now this year, he has missed game winners in a very makeable range.

When your QB converts TWO 4th and longs in the 4th quarter to get you in a position to win that game, that kick has to be made.
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I think they've got to blitz Cam. Rob can't play that passive game he calls against mobile quarterbacks. Cam might be difficult to take down, but pressing his receivers and making him make quick decisions through blitzes will really limit what he can do. Sure the guy can do some magic at times with his ability to move, but you can be soft and just let him sit there staring at his guys running all day long. No matter how good your coverage is it can't last too long, so they've got to get good pressure.

On offense it's limiting stupid mistakes. The offense has all the tools to be great, and Carolina has a weak defense. They have to execute!

Oh yeah, no special teams breakdowns. In two out of the three losses special teams breakdowns played a huge part in things. They can't **** up again.
I'd like to see a lot of blitzes and stunts up the middle with outside rushers playing a little contain. Last thing we need is for our outside rushers plowing up field and him escaping the middle blitz by bouncing it outside.
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As much as Garrett sounds like a good head coach, it's about time for that talk to show in his team's actions.

Garrett constantly preaches about stacking good days together. The Cowboys haven't won consecutive games since November.

Garrett hammers home the importance of winning the turnover battle. The Cowboys have committed the second-most turnovers and forced the fewest in the NFC.

Garrett stresses being a smart, disciplined team. The Cowboys average the most penalties per game in the NFL and can't tell time with the game on the line.

There really is a lot to like about Garrett. Unless that's reflected in his record, it's all irrelevant.

NO progress, thats my biggest complaint. To much talent to be a .500 team year after year after year.

Couldn't have said it better. At least you had your Sooners to enjoy last weekend. Between the Longhorns and the Cowboys the next day, you can imagine the type of weekend I had *sigh*


The Cowboys make it hard to cheer for them sometimes. It would be different if we weren't good enough to keep up with teams, but losing all these close games we do reflects on coaching. I'll ride with Garrett until January, if we can make the playoffs and win a game I'd be ok with keeping him, other then that he's got to go. I wouldn't care if it was some no name, special teams coach for a fresh start, what we are doing obviously isn't working.


As far as Carolina, this game makes me really nervous. Because if we lose this, with the Falcons on the horizon, it's almost time to shut it down for the year. The only saving grace we have is that we still have 2 games left vs Philly(1 or both games could be against Nick Foles) and 2 games vs Washington. The 1 game vs the Giants was a W which was huge. We have our playoff destiny in our own hands still, just depends how we handle it from here.
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If we lose to Carolina...which is a real possibility, then the only thing that has to happen next is Garrett getting fired. So losing to them really isn't that bad. Well worth the fire.
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D-Unit....when did Romo & JG piss in your cornflakes?


You've been pretty unbearable lately.
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I just hope Rob doesn't go with a soft zone like he has against mobile QB's in the past. Other then Ware no one has been able to get pressure from the base defense without blitzing. I would love to see Ratliff get moved around to create favorable matchups in the trenches. It would be nice to get Spencer back this week but I expect to see Butler and Albright split the duty.
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You've been pretty unbearable lately.
I'm not emotionally tied to players. Only emotionally tied to the team.

We can't ignore the obvious that those 2 at the helm are the cause of much distress. I've been giving them chance after chance after chance and I'll probably give them more chance. At what point do you, FreshBoy say it's time to turn the page?

I should say, if the choice is between the 2, I'm getting rid of Garrett first. He really needs to string together some wins to save face.

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I'm not emotionally tied to players. Only emotionally tied to the team.

We can't ignore the obvious that those 2 at the helm are the cause of much distress. I've been giving them chance after chance after chance and I'll probably give them more chance. At what point do you, FreshBoy say it's time to turn the page?

I should say, if the choice is between the 2, I'm getting rid of Garrett first. He really needs to string together some wins to save face.
The problem is that you really don't know who you want gone, you just want anyone screwing up...GONE.

Players execute, and despite some bad clock management here, and a few bad calls there...JG's been pretty decent and had the Boys in every game. At some point, Felix has to stop fumbling kick offs, Romo's gotta stop throwing pick 6's, the defense has to stop giving up huge leads, Dez has to stop dropping balls, the OL has to stop letting free rushers through.

Games like the Ravens, Detroit, Jets, and Giants last year are proof positive that JG had them prepared, and it came down to the players making dumb mistakes to take themselves out of games.


It's Romo(or players) or its JG. Can't be both, or maybe it can be.... and I'm just giving the benefit of the doubt to JG at this point in time. You just seem like you're on a rampage..."FIRE EVERYBODY!"

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The problem is that you really don't know who you want gone, you just want anyone screwing up...GONE.

Players execute, and despite some bad clock management here, and a few bad calls there...JG's been pretty decent and had the Boys in every game. At some point, Felix has to stop fumbling kick offs, Romo's gotta stop throwing pick 6's, the defense has to stop giving up huge leads, Dez has to stop dropping balls, the OL has to stop letting free rushers through.

Games like the Ravens, Detroit, Jets, and Giants last year are proof positive that JG had them prepared, and it came down to the players making dumb mistakes to take themselves out of games.


It's Romo(or players) or its JG. Can't be both, or maybe it can be.... and I'm just giving the benefit of the doubt to JG at this point in time. You just seem like you're on a rampage..."FIRE EVERYBODY!"
Now you're just making up crap. I know who I want gone and it's not everyone who screws up. Dez screws up all the time. So did Witten. So did Costa. So did Bernadeau. I don't want them gone. I only want the guys who can't improve gone.

Garrett's been running this offense for 6 years now. You still didn't answer my question. At what point do YOU start to say enough is enough? If we don't win a playoff game this year, then how much longer do you give him without producing results.

Being close enough to hang in games isn't a reasonable excuse. Constant player mistakes are a reflection of the HC. If we're talking onesies, twosies here and there, then that's one thing... but this is a repetitive theme. Has has to fix the problem or get rid of it. What you seem settled to do is excuse the coach and blame the players. That's not the way it has to be. When you look at the talent of this team, despite some weaknesses (every team has them), we should be winning more.

You can blame the players for making mistakes, but players will NEVER play perfectly all the time. There has to be expected room for error. What is inexcusable is clock mismanagement at the end of games. That's ALL on the coach.

I'm not saying fire him now. That's dumb. I'm saying he needs to start winning or else he should definitely feel his seat getting hot. ...He could take us to the playoffs and win a game to save his job, but even then... I expect more than that with this roster.

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D-Unit....when did Romo & JG piss in your cornflakes?


You've been pretty unbearable lately.
AMEN!!! Seriously the negativity is unbearable and I think I need to take a long break from this board. Calling for a coaches head with less than 2 full years under his belt is absurd. The man has a winning record as a HC so far.

People on here think they know more than what they really do.

Were all frustrated fans.
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AMEN!!! Seriously the negativity is unbearable and I think I need to take a long break from this board. Calling for a coaches head with less than 2 full years under his belt is absurd. The man has a winning record as a HC so far.

People on here think they know more than what they really do.

Were all frustrated fans.
Why can't frustrated fans express frustration?

Not like I'm harping on a change that's an impossibility. Calling for a new owner... now there's a cry that will fall on deaf ears.

The reality is that Garrett will be here for a while. I know that. I'm just not a real believer in him. I think he needs to give up the playcalling. I think he needs to focus less on the plays and more on game management. Doing both at the same time is obviously killing him.
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Why can't frustrated fans express frustration?

Not like I'm harping on a change that's an impossibility. Calling for a new owner... now there's a cry that will fall on deaf ears.

The reality is that Garrett will be here for a while. I know that. I'm just not a real believer in him. I think he needs to give up the playcalling. I think he needs to focus less on the plays and more on game management. Doing both at the same time is obviously killing him.
Just go back and read your posts from the last 2 weeks. It''s completely negative and pretty much over and over complaining about Romo and Garrett.

Yes fans can express their frustration, but when you have the same people saying the same thing 10 different ways, it just gets tiresome.

No offense D, but you take things to the extremes on both sides. After the opening game win you were flying high talking about how we'd be 4-0 to start the season no problem and singing the praises. And now you're calling for either Garrett to lose his job or Romo to be ushered out of town.
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The problem is that you really don't know who you want gone, you just want anyone screwing up...GONE.

Players execute, and despite some bad clock management here, and a few bad calls there...JG's been pretty decent and had the Boys in every game. At some point, Felix has to stop fumbling kick offs, Romo's gotta stop throwing pick 6's, the defense has to stop giving up huge leads, Dez has to stop dropping balls, the OL has to stop letting free rushers through.

Games like the Ravens, Detroit, Jets, and Giants last year are proof positive that JG had them prepared, and it came down to the players making dumb mistakes to take themselves out of games.


It's Romo(or players) or its JG. Can't be both, or maybe it can be.... and I'm just giving the benefit of the doubt to JG at this point in time. You just seem like you're on a rampage..."FIRE EVERYBODY!"
3-7 our last 10 games. Your ok with that?
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You could easily say I was one of the biggest JG champions when we signed him and throughout offseason TALK. The preparation shown on the field doesn't match the preparation he claims in talks. Situation based practices and drills ELIMINATE situations like last game late in the game.

His playcalling still has me baffled. We were at our best when we punished teams for bringing the heat. Screens, play actions, and draws. It's getting rare to even see them come out of the playbook.

I love JG and his ideals and I absolutely want to keep championing but simple mistakes and questionable playcalling have me waning. His Garrett-speak is still one of the best in the league with cryptic tell-nothing press conferences.
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3-7 our last 10 games. Your ok with that?
These are dumb stats, and only meant to either positively or negatively highlight whatever ESPN/NFL networks analysts' talking point is.


He's 2-3 so far this season, and 1-0 in the division. Season's not over.
8-8 and 2-4 in the division last season.


There's a lot of things wrong with the Dallas Cowboys...I won't name them all, but Talent(or lack theirof) is a major factor. Despite a few key pieces, the Cowboys just aren't that talented where it counts. I understand that it's "America's Team", and they should be a contender every year to some fans...but the fact of the matter is that the team is going through a rebuild. It's not going to happen overnight..They were 1-5 when JG took over, and he's had two drafts to address some key pieces, and they've done a good job finding talent(lee, Carter, Demarco, Smith, etc, etc)...but I don't understand how people are expecting this talent injection to happen overnight.

The Boys have had some very weak drafts('09 specifically, which should be the "core" of today's cowboys), and they're lacking for talent right now. Once the talent base is upgraded, then let's start talking about chopping heads. JG didn't inherit a team with a bunch of top 10 draft picks that he just had to motivate & coach to the next level(IE Harbaugh in SF).

This is a .500 team, and they're capable of plus or minus two games, based on coaching...IMO... They can be anywhere from 10-6 to 6-10, and I wouldn't be surprised....If you want to count the Ravens game as one of those games, then yea...JG is to blame for that L. Let's let the season play out...

Let's just stop pretending that bringing in a new head coach every 3 years is working or the best thing to do to build a solid football team.

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Just go back and read your posts from the last 2 weeks. It''s completely negative and pretty much over and over complaining about Romo and Garrett.

Yes fans can express their frustration, but when you have the same people saying the same thing 10 different ways, it just gets tiresome.

No offense D, but you take things to the extremes on both sides. After the opening game win you were flying high talking about how we'd be 4-0 to start the season no problem and singing the praises. And now you're calling for either Garrett to lose his job or Romo to be ushered out of town.
Exactly...nobody is saying that we shouldn't hold Romo/JG/whoever accountable...but at this point you're acting like a whiny 2 year old. Just read the last few pages, and tell me your proud of those posts.

Just week 1 you were championing the entire staff and preparation, and here we are just 5 games into the season and you're ready to destroy and rebuild. Let's just calm down is all i"m saying.

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Dumb stats? 3-7 isnt a stat is our record. I love the way Garrett came in and got rid of the old over paid guys. I love that weve gotten younger, but to say we dont have the talent RIGHT NOW to be a playoff contender is flat out wrong IMO. Im not saying SB but we should be better than a .500 team. Besides, talent has NOTHING to do with game managment and Garrett has failed miserably many times over in that area. If Garrett is in control of this roster, which many say he is, then he takes the blame for this ****** Oline too. If we had a dominate line a lot of his problems might not be here right now.
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Dumb stats? 3-7 isnt a stat is our record. I love the way Garrett came in and got rid of the old over paid guys. I love that weve gotten younger, but to say we dont have the talent RIGHT NOW to be a playoff contender is flat out wrong IMO. Im not saying SB but we should be better than a .500 team. Besides, talent has NOTHING to do with game managment and Garrett has failed miserably many times over in that area. If Garrett is in control of this roster, which many say he is, then he takes the blame for this ****** Oline too. If we had a dominate line a lot of his problems might not be here right now.
I guess my point is that stats like "3-7 in the last 10 games" are pointed and specific stats to show a bias. I could say "JG is 6-2 in the month of November" so it looks up for the Boys to make a run. It completely disregards a # of factors. The fact is the Cowboys are a .500 team.

Anyways, stats are stats....no biggie.

My overall point is that I think we're in a true rebuild right now, and we're just not as talented as Boys fans tend to think. It's that simple. You can only do so much in a couple offseasons... We had the slowest LB's in Brooking and James, one of the worst secondaries in Cowboys history, and horrible DL Depth, and we've already mentioned the terrible OL. There's only so many picks and FA's you can pickup in the offseason.
They've thrown first round currency at the OL, 1st round currency at the secondary, targeted FA's for both.
There just too many holes in the boat to fill at once. JG surely can get the blame for the OL, but then do you give him credit for the Defense improving? Or is he only responsible for the offensive side of the ball? If it's just offense, then what's the average pts scored in that "2-7 in the last 10 games" stat you threw around earlier. Cause the Defense was responsible for a few of those losses if I can remember correctly.


THE COWBOYS AREN"T AS TALENTED AS YOU THINK!

Fix the talent....and they can compete. Right now they're fielding a team with talent, but not a talented team.
Period.


I'm not even trying to defend JG here, I'm just saying the overreaction going on right now at 2-3 is kind've ridiculous. Let's let the season play out.

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