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Old 10-26-2012, 12:56 AM    (permalink
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Yes, I still can't believe people said he was still a 1st Rounder after he got kicked out of LSU. I mean he is undersized, not strong or fast enough, huge gambler and then add the Drug problem. I admit he has a nose for the ball and can make som big plays but I don't think he will make it in the NFL.
What he's good at isn't really something you can teach, and I certainly think he could make it in the NFL if everything breaks right for him, but there's no way I'm spending a pick on him. Maybe in the late 7th if my board is decimated, but there's so much going against Matthieu at this point, it's ridiculous.
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Still can't shake the feeling this guy is going to have a solid NFL career...I'd still take him late.
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What he's good at isn't really something you can teach, and I certainly think he could make it in the NFL if everything breaks right for him, but there's no way I'm spending a pick on him. Maybe in the late 7th if my board is decimated, but there's so much going against Matthieu at this point, it's ridiculous.
I get that he is like Ed Reed or Charles Woodson with creating turnovers but he would be best used like Troy Polamalu where he could just roam the backfield and sometimes blitz the QB. I just can't see an NFL Team put up with him because he did something so stupid when he had everything in front of him, then gets a second chance but screws up again.

A NFL Team might say one strike and your out and if he were to screw that up he's done. I think he could pull a Vontaze Burfict and go Undrafted but end up starting in the NFL but he could also throw his future away just to get a little high.
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I get that he is like Ed Reed or Charles Woodson with creating turnovers but he would be best used like Troy Polamalu where he could just roam the backfield and sometimes blitz the QB. I just can't see an NFL Team put up with him because he did something so stupid when he had everything in front of him, then gets a second chance but screws up again.

A NFL Team might say one strike and your out and if he were to screw that up he's done. I think he could pull a Vontaze Burfict and go Undrafted but end up starting in the NFL but he could also throw his future away just to get a little high.
Before he got himself in all this trouble I wouldn't have minded the Packers bringing him in to eventually take over for the role Charles Woodson is playing now as a floating safety/nickel cornerback/blitzer. With all his off the field stuff I can't say I see it happening. I still wouldn't be upset if he was brought in as an undrafted free agent or something though.
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Still can't shake the feeling this guy is going to have a solid NFL career...I'd still take him late.
this. I feel he can be a REALLY good nickel corner and return man.
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this. I feel he can be a REALLY good nickel corner and return man.
He could be a good slot guy and he could be a great returner, but he is never going to see the field. He has serious drug issues. You think that will change when hes making a few hundred thousand dollars a year? He's going to end up with more arrests than TDs & INTs combined.
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He could be a good slot guy and he could be a great returner, but he is never going to see the field. He has serious drug issues. You think that will change when hes making a few hundred thousand dollars a year? He's going to end up with more arrests than TDs & INTs combined.
Serious drug issues? Really? He is just an idiot that needs to quit smoking pot.
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Serious drug issues? Really? He is just an idiot that needs to quit smoking pot.
That's a discussion for somewhere else. If he is talented, he will get a chance until he messes up in the NFL. He'll automatically be in the drug program upon entrance so first offense can lead to a suspension.
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Serious drug issues? Really? He is just an idiot that needs to quit smoking pot.
Are you for real? This was a college athlete at one point who was a Heisman finalist and sure fire first round draft pick. Look at what he has now? Nothing, but chilling with his drug dealing ex-teammates who all sucked in college football as well and have no future. And if you think he isn't selling drugs, then you are a fool.

Some people. Just no ******* concept of consequences. Needs to quit smoking pot. Yeah, sure. That's all he needs to do. Do you have any life experience? I mean... really, any? WTF

Perfect nickname by the way bc this asshole doesn't care about ****. Not the NFL. Not having money. Not having a future. He just don't care.
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I think that he is a guy I would take a mid round flyer on specially as a Lions fan. Once he falls far enough it will be a shock to his system when his actions have real consequences. Getting kicked off from LSU's team in his mind may not have consequences when you talk about his NFL career when you think of the problem children like Pac Man Jones still getting drafted in the first or Jenkins still getting drafted in the 2nd and with Jenkin's success it may allow teams to take a bigger risk. Specially if he does end up living in a place like Seattle (at the risk of getting political) has rather lax marijuana law enforcement so it comes down to passing the drug test as oppose to arrests.
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I think that he is a guy I would take a mid round flyer on specially as a Lions fan. Once he falls far enough it will be a shock to his system when his actions have real consequences. Getting kicked off from LSU's team in his mind may not have consequences when you talk about his NFL career when you think of the problem children like Pac Man Jones still getting drafted in the first or Jenkins still getting drafted in the 2nd and with Jenkin's success it may allow teams to take a bigger risk. Specially if he does end up living in a place like Seattle (at the risk of getting political) has rather lax marijuana law enforcement so it comes down to passing the drug test as oppose to arrests.
Pretty good chance it's going to be legal here a week from tuesday. Not sure that environment would be good for a guy who has a weed problem. Might be just better if he ends up somewhere like the Boston area where......nevermind.

I'll take a chance on a guy who has smoked some weed as opposed to the Lawrence Phillips' of the world who throw their girlfriends down a flight of stairs.
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When your drug issues get you suspended, kicked off of your football team, result in the losing of your NCAA eligibility, merit automatic inclusion in the NFL's substance abuse program, and end up in a drug bust in your own apartment then your drug issues are serious. It doesn't matter what your drug of choice is at this point.

Football teams generally don't care about marijuana because it's evil, or it makes you a bad person, or makes you a bad player. Football teams care about marijuana because it's against the law and it gets you suspended. You're of no use to your football team when you can't play, and it's worse when the reason you can't play is "stupid" (i.e. you're suspended or in jail.)
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It's not necessarily a serious drug, but it is a serious issue for him. When he is honestly ******* up the majority of his success because of it then it becomes a serious drug issue.
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It's not necessarily a serious drug, but it is a serious issue for him. When he is honestly ******* up the majority of his success because of it then it becomes a serious drug issue.
This. It isn't about the severity of the drug (pot vs meth or anything) but the fact that it is against the law and he cant seem to grasp the concept of leaving it alone.
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This really pisses me off. Does anybody really view Honey Badger as a menace to society? He very well might not get a chance to pursue a career in a very lucrative practice at which he is very talented, because of irrational stigma of a harmless plant. I hate seeing innocent people's lives ruined because of greedy capitalists, religious moralists and ethically bankrupt politicians who pander to both.
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It's not necessarily a serious drug, but it is a serious issue for him. When he is honestly ******* up the majority of his success because of it then it becomes a serious drug issue.
The thing is, this is an artificial issue. Weed obviously does not affect his success on the field when he is allowed to play, and he has not seriously put others at risk because of his affinity for the ganja. Hell, if Congress passed laws against beating off and employers tested me for it, I would be seriously f'ed.
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This really pisses me off. Does anybody really view Honey Badger as a menace to society? He very well might not get a chance to pursue a career in a very lucrative practice at which he is very talented, because of irrational stigma of a harmless plant. I hate seeing innocent people's lives ruined because of greedy capitalists, religious moralists and ethically bankrupt politicians who pander to both.
This argument is ********. Him being a danger to anyone was NEVER the point. The point is its illegal for him to smoke weed in school and it will be illegal to smoke weed in the NFL. If you can't control the addiction its a problem no matter the legality.

Marijuana has been legal in CA since '96, yet employers will still drug test...I know MANY stoners who hold jobs no problem by laying off of it when they have to or whatever means they need. If he can't do that that's his problem and he's a complete dumbass.
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This argument is ********. Him being a danger to anyone was NEVER the point. The point is its illegal for him to smoke weed in school and it will be illegal to smoke weed in the NFL. If you can't control the addiction its a problem no matter the legality.

Marijuana has been legal in CA since '96, yet employers will still drug test...I know MANY stoners who hold jobs no problem by laying off of it when they have to or whatever means they need. If he can't do that that's his problem and he's a complete dumbass.
Being called a complete dumbass by a mexican should be the wake up call he needs.
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Old 10-27-2012, 07:35 AM    (permalink
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October 22 2012

Then just a few days later he gets arrested for drug use???

WHAT A FRIGGIN IDIOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!


Seriously given a great second chance, given hype through SI for his possible turnaround and he does what with it all.......smokes it away..........

Difference between Mathieu and the others that got caught in his apartment, the other players stink, have no future and cannot play in the NFL. They do not lose much if they get caught, Mathieu loses a hole lot more....



Vontaze Burfict turned it around apparently after being undrafted and making some bad choices, but it is a hard road because of the pay difference between where he is at now and where he could have been as a 1st round pick. Same can be said for Mathieu, and there are easily 7 corners I would take over Mathieu in this draft without question and that was before all of this happened.
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The biggest problem I have with this is that he hurt his team 3 times and then was kicked off the team. Instead of showing he could be responsible for himself (and thus a team should trust him), he goes out and continues to make the same stupid decision.

It's not about weed. It's about decisions.
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This argument is ********. Him being a danger to anyone was NEVER the point. The point is its illegal for him to smoke weed in school and it will be illegal to smoke weed in the NFL. If you can't control the addiction its a problem no matter the legality.

Marijuana has been legal in CA since '96, yet employers will still drug test...I know MANY stoners who hold jobs no problem by laying off of it when they have to or whatever means they need. If he can't do that that's his problem and he's a complete dumbass.
I'm not really making excuses for Honey Badger, clearly he should have better discipline. I am simply saying it's outrageous that anybody lives should be ruined like this because of corrupt and immoral drug policies. I think most of the outrage here should go towards the government and society not Honey Badger.

BTW, marijuana is not legal in CA on a recreational basis. You need a prescription.
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I'm not really making excuses for Honey Badger, clearly he should have better discipline. I am simply saying it's outrageous that anybody lives should be ruined like this because of corrupt and immoral drug policies. I think most of the outrage here should go towards the government and society not Honey Badger.

BTW, marijuana is not legal in CA on a recreational basis. You need a prescription.
Get one for $25 big whoops, you pay they give it to you. Most doctors don't perform any sort of eval.
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