Is Jarvis Jones a Von Miller Clone??? - Page 2

Robcards · 10-31-2012, 07:12 PM

Love the Clay Matthews comparison! Very true even though Georgia's scheme is completely different than the USC d that Matthews played in they have very similar skill sets. Thing is about Matthews position in the draft he was only like a one year starter so that likely hurt his stock, I imagine Jones will be selected a lot higher.

DraftSwag · 10-31-2012, 07:15 PM

I think the consensus is that Jarvis Jones is a beast. He obviously has a body of work that proves that. I think he falls into the category of football players that have all the intangibles leading them to produce at high levels no matter what system they are in. I compared him to Von Miller because Miller is another guy that isn't always the biggest or fastest guy on the field, but always seems to be making plays. To discredit his pass rushing ability is ludicrous. The guy leads the country in sacks per game and plays in the SEC. What more can he can he accomplish as a college football player? I can guarantee you that the opposing lineman aren't overlooking his pass rushing ability.

villagewarrior · 10-31-2012, 09:25 PM

Haven't seen as much as what I'd like, but from what I've seen is he is very capable of standing offensive tackles up at the point of attack to set the edge outside. Capable of stringing outside plays to the sideline and closing the B gap down to make running backs look to bounce or cut back. That, together with his ability to rush the passer tells me he has a chance to be pretty legit at the next level.

Also, he looks a legit 240 to me, maybe a little more. Just a very thick fellow.

indyfan1985 · 10-31-2012, 09:27 PM

I think Jarvis Jones finds ways to make plays, even though he isnt quite the athlete Von Miller is.

While Von is more explosive and athletic, Jarvis I feel has better insticts and football awareness.

JagWired32 · 10-31-2012, 09:41 PM

No doubt in my mind this guys my favorite player and the guy I want the Jags to pick with their pick regardless from where there at if we think Gabbert should be here next year (last 2 weeks hes looked good). He can play in a lot of different situations and I see him being able to play an OLB in a 4-3, that's the only comparison I see of the two.

PossibleCabbage · 10-31-2012, 10:11 PM

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Exactly. And he should be drafted in the same region as Matthews too.

To be fair, history will look back at Clay Matthews being selected with the 26th pick (behind 4 other people drafted to play OLB in an odd front, 3 of which were Aaron Maybin, Robert Ayers, and Larry English) to be quite the steal.

DraftSwag · 10-31-2012, 10:33 PM

Wow thats crazy those guys were taken ahead of him. When Maybin was coming out I knew he was overrated. Last thing I heard about him was that he was doing OK for the Jets. Robert Ayers and Larry English are just straight up busts. I'm pretty sure Jarvis Jones is better than all of them including Clay Matthews.

njx9 · 10-31-2012, 10:45 PM

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Robert Ayers and Larry English are just straight up busts.

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Caulibflower · 10-31-2012, 10:47 PM

The Clay Matthews and Von Miller comparisons are coming purely from looking at his height/weight and then his stats. He's not in the same league as either player.

He gets stonewalled at the point of attack. Most of his tackles are where he gets blocked initially, and then is chasing a running back down 7 yards past the line of scrimmage. He makes plays when they come to him, but he doesn't ever seem to be the one making anyone else look foolish. He's not especially fast.

I'm not saying he's terrible or can't play in the NFL, but I don't see what others are when they're saying he belongs in the top 10.

Caulibflower · 10-31-2012, 10:52 PM

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I think the consensus is that Jarvis Jones is a beast.

Incorrect.

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He obviously has a body of work that proves that.

Like Brian Bosworth.

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I think he falls into the category of football players that have all the intangibles leading them to produce at high levels no matter what system they are in. I compared him to Von Miller because Miller is another guy that isn't always the biggest or fastest guy on the field...

Very incorrect. Von Miller was the fastest player on the field.

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...but always seems to be making plays.

Correct.

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To discredit his pass rushing ability is ludicrous. The guy leads the country in sacks per game and plays in the SEC. What more can he can he accomplish as a college football player? I can guarantee you that the opposing lineman aren't overlooking his pass rushing ability.

Which is why he's a good candidate to be a collegiate All-American. Maybe get talked about at the end of the season for a little statue of some sort.

DraftSwag · 10-31-2012, 10:54 PM

The dude leads the country in TFL's per game and is second in sacks. How could you possibly say he gets stonewalled at the point of attack. It would be one thing if he wasn't producing at the highest level of college football(THE SEC). Jarvis Jones has clearly separated himself from every other defensive player in country and if you can't appreciate that then you need to be diagnosed. Go watch a Georgia game and I bet he'll be the best player on the field no matter who they're playing. "chasing a running back down 7 yards past the line of scrimmage" REALLLLLYYYYYYY. C'MON MANNNNNNN

DraftSwag · 10-31-2012, 10:56 PM

Wow comparisons to Brian Bosworth. That's a bold statement. I'll hold you to it.

Caulibflower · 10-31-2012, 10:59 PM

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The dude leads the country in TFL's per game and is second in sacks. How could you possibly say he gets stonewalled at the point of attack.

Because most of the TFLs I've seen are backside sacks and reading options correctly. I.e., being a disciplined (read: "good") player who knows where to be, has good instincts and a good feel for the game. What you don't see is him ripping off of a pulling guard to pull down a running back before he can break through the line. You don't see him hammering into the pile and stopping it, and you don't see him getting off of tackles' blocks at the corner and stopping the play. He makes plays behind the line of scrimmage and down the field, but teams pick up regular chunks of yardage running power plays directly at him.

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It would be one thing if he wasn't producing at the highest level of college football(THE SEC). Jarvis Jones has clearly separated himself from every other defensive player in country and if you can't appreciate that then you need to be diagnosed. Go watch a Georgia game and I bet he'll be the best player on the field no matter who they're playing. "chasing a running back down 7 yards past the line of scrimmage" REALLLLLYYYYYYY. C'MON MANNNNNNN

Stats are relevant in All-American conversations in college and Pro Bowl conversations in the NFL, and that's about it. An NFL coach isn't going to draft a player for his trophy case, even if it's full. I see a player filling up the stat sheet who doesn't look to me like he'll be a dominant NFL player in any aspect of his game, so he doesn't look like a top-10 pick to me.

njx9 · 10-31-2012, 11:00 PM

you keep saying 'the sec' like he's playing the best offenses in college football. one offense in the top 25, 2 in the top 40, and two teams with a worse offense than colorado. do you watch football, or do you just read box scores? are you capable of responding to the argument without relying solely and explicitly on stats?

DraftSwag · 10-31-2012, 11:11 PM

He doesn't play the best offenses are you serious. He plays against the best players you braniac check every NFL roster then tell me that he's not competing against NFL talent. Come up with something better than that if you wanna come at my neck. You sound stupid.

DraftSwag · 10-31-2012, 11:12 PM

Caulibflower you know what they call you. " OVER EVALUATOR"

PossibleCabbage · 10-31-2012, 11:14 PM

I really think a lot of the draft story on Jones is going to come down to the combine doctors eval on his neck.

Player comparisons aside, that worries me.

DraftSwag · 10-31-2012, 11:16 PM

Production in the SEC is always relevant. Proves that when he is going against the highest level of competition in college he dominates. Can't be discounted and that's why he'll probably be a top 5 pick. If we were discussing a fringe guy I could understand, but we are talking about a guy who is considered the top defensive player in college football. Are you seriously trying to have this argument.

DraftSwag · 10-31-2012, 11:23 PM

That is a legitimate concern. At least you bring up valid points. I'm not sure what these other clowns are talking about. I guarantee if Jarvis Jones played against Oklahoma St., Louisiana Tech, Baylor, Arizona, Marshall, Texas A&M, Oregon he would dominate in all those games and the crazy thing about those teams is that they don't even have better players individually than damn near every team in the SEC.

brat316 · 10-31-2012, 11:30 PM

Von Miller was intiall knocked for looking like a 1 trick pony. Speed edge rusher and not much else.

brat316 · 10-31-2012, 11:32 PM

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That is a legitimate concern. At least you bring up valid points. I'm not sure what these other clowns are talking about. I guarantee if Jarvis Jones played against Oklahoma St., Louisiana Tech, Baylor, Arizona, Marshall, Texas A&M, Oregon he would dominate in all those games and the crazy thing about those teams is that they don't even have better players individually than damn near every team in the SEC.

I think a few of them might be better than UK, Miss State,Vandy

Brown Leader · 10-31-2012, 11:39 PM

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The Clay Matthews and Von Miller comparisons are coming purely from looking at his height/weight and then his stats. He's not in the same league as either player.

He gets stonewalled at the point of attack. Most of his tackles are where he gets blocked initially, and then is chasing a running back down 7 yards past the line of scrimmage. He makes plays when they come to him, but he doesn't ever seem to be the one making anyone else look foolish. He's not especially fast.

I'm not saying he's terrible or can't play in the NFL, but I don't see what others are when they're saying he belongs in the top 10.

Thank you. He's non stop hustle but doesn't look terribly athletic, especially compared to Matthews and Miller. A to B he's pretty quick with great leverage but he doesn't look great breaking down in the open field. Arm length might be an issue as well. Reminds me most of a small Tambi Hali or Chris Long-everything he gets is based on hustle, toughness and smarts. It's hard though, trying to get an accurate read on him this season, because he's constantly nicked up-which raises another concern. Similar to Brandon Graham, someone will fall in love with him, but I think it's questionable how well his game will translate.

DraftSwag · 10-31-2012, 11:39 PM

The SEC just doesn't get to showcase offense because they are going against NFL Caliber defensive players. Half of those teams that put up crazy offensive numbers are going against 2nd rate defenses. We already saw what happened when West Virginia actually played a decent defense and even Arizona got shut out by the Oregons defense imagine what a Georgia, Alabama, Florida, Tennessee defense would do to them. Their is no comparison to quality of players individually to the SEC. That's a fact not opinion.

Robcards · 10-31-2012, 11:59 PM

I think people assume the SEC don't have powerful offenses because the schemes aren't as wide open as big12 teams and they don't put up gaudy numbers as a result. However, the SEC as a whole has some of the best offensive lines so when a guy dominates in the SEC in penetrating and getting TFLs it should not be brushed aside by saying the SEC lacks powerful offenses.

Caulibflower · 11-01-2012, 02:55 AM

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