New York Giants Discussion - Page 301

NY+Giants=NYG · 11-12-2012, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

He was being sarcastic.

I know. No one brought it up so I figured I'd answer his question with a question and see what he says.

And as stupid as it sounds in the game day threat there were people saying all sorts of stuff. Fire Coughlin, Fire Fewell, Eli is done, Fire Gilbride and so on.

LonghornsLegend · 11-12-2012, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Yeah I'm not arguing with you on that. This is some of the worst football I've seen this team play in a long time. We're still 6-4 though with destiny in our own hands. This team responds better when we are against the wall and when we are underdogs. I can't explain that but it is the case. I'll start to panic when we're not in 1st anymore.

I agree, and I laugh at everyone who is worried about the Giants. I guess there has to be a story, but just because you don't go 13-3 doesn't mean a thing. You guys always get hot at the right time, and while most of you hate Fewell he got his stuff together at the right time last year after sucking it up in large spans.

Besides that, if your only threat is us in the division I'd hardly be worried because we have given nobody a reason to think we can be disciplined enough to go on a streak and win some meaningful games.

Jughead10 · 11-12-2012, 11:25 AM

I'm not worried about making the playoffs yet, but I would like to finish third in the NFC. To avoid a likely strong Wild Card team in the 5th seed. This loss hurts those chances.

bigbluedefense · 11-12-2012, 11:35 AM

Yeah LL, I basically agree with Jug right now. I do worry about Dallas though, because they are talented and if they put it together they can be dangerous.

But right now I'm not concerned about missing the playoffs just yet. I'm more concerned about seeding.

And it's just annoying that this team isn't consistent like the Patriots bc they're capable of it. But they lack the focus.

Giantsfan1080 · 11-12-2012, 11:37 AM

Seeding doesn't matter one bit. We can beat anyone anywhere.

bigbluedefense · 11-12-2012, 11:38 AM

Why not make life easier though? Why always do it the hard way? Do you really want to see Green Bay in the first round?

Giantsfan1080 · 11-12-2012, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Why not make life easier though? Why always do it the hard way? Do you really want to see Green Bay in the first round?

They'll win the division.

bigbluedefense · 11-12-2012, 11:40 AM

I think Chicago will hold onto it. Green Bay has their flaws too.

Forenci · 11-12-2012, 11:43 AM

Well I'm a sad panda. I'm not overly worried, mainly because of our division but I am a bit concerned. If this was ANY other team we would all be hitting the panic button big time. Sometimes I wonder if we get too comfortable with the idea we are going to pick it up in December and when the pressure is on.

After relying on this for so many years, I feel like eventually it will have to not happen.

That's not being pessimistic, I'm not super worried by any means. Just an observation I was thinking about.

NY+Giants=NYG · 11-12-2012, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

I agree, and I laugh at everyone who is worried about the Giants. I guess there has to be a story, but just because you don't go 13-3 doesn't mean a thing. You guys always get hot at the right time, and while most of you hate Fewell he got his stuff together at the right time last year after sucking it up in large spans.

Besides that, if your only threat is us in the division I'd hardly be worried because we have given nobody a reason to think we can be disciplined enough to go on a streak and win some meaningful games.

Why? Have you seen us play? We can't score now. No lead is safe, and right now our MVP is our freaking kicker. Well I am glad you're not worried, perhaps I need to take a page from your book. Right now, I see nothing with this team. Maybe this BYE week will do some good, and things will be fine.

Maybe the defense can replicate last year and beat the GB. Maybe our offense can use this BYE week to adjust, rest, and come back to par. That would be great. But until then, I am not happy, and dare I say.. worried with this team.

bigbluedefense · 11-12-2012, 11:46 AM

My main concern is, we all know what flaws we have, and we all know what the corrective actions are to those flaws (or at least we know what the superficial corrections can be in an attempt to fix them), but will they happen? I don't know.

Will Coughlin bench Diehl? Probably not.

Will Coughlin bench Bradshaw? Probably not.

Will Beckum see more PT? Probably not.

Will we make some adjustments to the playbook? I can see this happening.

Will guys get healthy? That's out of anyone's hands.

bigbluedefense · 11-12-2012, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Forenci

Well I'm a sad panda. I'm not overly worried, mainly because of our division but I am a bit concerned. If this was ANY other team we would all be hitting the panic button big time. Sometimes I wonder if we get too comfortable with the idea we are going to pick it up in December and when the pressure is on.

After relying on this for so many years, I feel like eventually it will have to not happen.

That's not being pessimistic, I'm not super worried by any means. Just an observation I was thinking about.

That's fair. I think what's keeping me calm is our recent success. We all know this league. It's tough being successful in this league. And we won 2 out of the last 5 Super Bowls. A repeat performance is not realistic. And I'm aware of that.

I honestly see us making the playoffs and being 1 and done. I would love to win a playoff game before getting eliminated, but I think from a talent perspective, our team is too flawed to make a serious run this year.

NY+Giants=NYG · 11-12-2012, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

My main concern is, we all know what flaws we have, and we all know what the corrective actions are to those flaws (or at least we know what the superficial corrections can be in an attempt to fix them), but will they happen? I don't know.

Will we make some adjustments to the playbook? I can see this happening.

Well I can now that the BYE week has arrived. But what?! What can we do? I posed this on BBI or here I been so mad I am forgetting things. But if push comes to shove and we need to do something drastic, do you think Gilbride and TC would do something drastic in hopes to revive the offense?

OR do you think they make minor changes and if the boat sinks it sinks? I am not sure what adjustments they can make and if it's effective.

I saw more 3 wide sets. Ok, do we continue with that as the base formation and run and throw out if it? Is that what we now use and build off of it?

It's interesting, but I am not sure about all this.

Rosebud · 11-12-2012, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Why not make life easier though? Why always do it the hard way? Do you really want to see Green Bay in the first round?

Because our team does better when things are harder on them. When things are too easy, they get arrogant and full of themselves. That's why we're such godawful front runners. It's when things are hard that the team buckles down and really thrives on the pressure.

bigbluedefense · 11-12-2012, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by NY+Giants=NYG

Well I can now that the BYE week has arrived. But what?! What can we do? I posed this on BBI or here I been so mad I am forgetting things. But if push comes to shove and we need to do something drastic, do you think Gilbride and TC would do something drastic in hopes to revive the offense?

OR do you think they make minor changes and if the boat sinks it sinks? I am not sure what adjustments they can make and if it's effective.

I saw more 3 wide sets. Ok, do we continue with that as the base formation and run and throw out if it? Is that what we now use and build off of it?

It's interesting, but I am not sure about all this.

Here's the problem with adjustments. They only work for a couple of weeks.

Right now, we can't stretch the field. So what's the natural adjustment? Bring in the routes.

But after 2 weeks, what's gonna happen? Defenses will adjust, and cover up the shorter routes.

So then what? Back to square one.

That's why ultimately this game is about talent. Players make plays. Right now we're just not talented enough to overcome our flaws. With some health, and some development from our rookies we can overcome them, but right here right now we are not good enough.

And that's not a scheme problem. That's a talent problem.

Rosebud · 11-12-2012, 12:02 PM

I wouldn't even say it's a talent problem, but a performance problem. Eli's not playing well, Nicks isn't playing well, the OL isn't playing well, the defensive line isn't playing well. That's not because of talent but because injuries, lackadaisical play, whatever, is keeping the talent from performing to the levels they're capable of. The talent is here to win a superbowl, the talent is here to curbstomp the 9ers, the talent is here to repeat.

scottyboy · 11-12-2012, 12:26 PM

it's also poor timing for us having a piss poor outing and then the bye. Meaning we have nothing to talk about but our piss poor games for the next 2 weeks.

Also, Sanu would just be so sexy in blue. le sigh

Rosebud · 11-12-2012, 12:29 PM

When we stomp the Packers, will you guys back away from the cliff-edge?

Giantsfan1080 · 11-12-2012, 12:36 PM

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When we stomp the Packers, will you guys back away from the cliff-edge?

Seems like there is only 1 person here close to a ledge. Thankfully no one is yelling jump.

bigbluedefense · 11-12-2012, 12:36 PM

Randle is better than Sanu. A lot better.

This offense just takes awhile to understand.

Giantsfan1080 · 11-12-2012, 12:43 PM

There has been 0 evidence to suggest Randle is better than Sanu at this point.

Forenci · 11-12-2012, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by scottyboy

it's also poor timing for us having a piss poor outing and then the bye. Meaning we have nothing to talk about but our piss poor games for the next 2 weeks.

Also, Sanu would just be so sexy in blue. le sigh

4 catches and a TD make him good? lol.