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Old 11-13-2012, 09:30 AM    (permalink
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The pick isn't awful and we will see as the year goes on how dire a need CB is, but I would much rather shore up the OL for the Colts. Warmack would be a fantastic pick for us. Solid mock though.
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Also, linebacker isn't a need at all when it comes to the starters. Nicholas and Weatherspoon are the ones playing almost every snap and depth later will be easy to find.
30. Atlanta Falcons - Kawann Short /DT/ Purdue:

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Niners just drafted a WR in the 1st. Why would they do that again?
23. San Francisco 49ers -John Jenkins /NT/ Georgia:

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27. New England Patriots - Cornellius Carradine /DE/ Florida St:
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KC does not need another small WR. Terrance Williams fits better imo. Good mock.
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Just noticed that Justin Hunter was available when the Chiefs pick in the second. If he's there they should take him.
Hunter?, isn't that kinda like Baldwin pt2? Bailey's a monster. His injury coincided with WVU slipping. I also like Williams but Smith and Bailey have been together since HS-getting the opportunity to draft both is big. It really depends on what offense is being run next year in KC, I suppose.
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no way the Rams take 2 OT's in rd 1.
But would you? Who do you think is a better choice?
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I'm not overly excited about Fisher either but he's been projected as a first rounder in a few places. He's that typical highly athletic underpowered project type, but it appears like he has a real intense attitude and playing style that might elevate him from others like that. But I had completely forgotten ATL took Holmes that high.
I will never complain about taking OL (Can never have enough good OL). I'm just saying knowing Thomas Dimitroff's character model, Barrett Jones fits way better than Fisher. Jones is a team captain, hard working, three year starter from the GA-AL-SC area (this part not as important) and doesn't have any character issues at all. Plus he's versatile. He's a much better player than Fisher is too as he won the outland when he was playing left tackle. That's what I was saying.
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30. Atlanta Falcons - Kawann Short /DT/ Purdue:
Now this is something I can get behind. Peria Jerry is a likely cut and Vance Walker is gone as well. Corey Peters is good and so is Babineaux, but Short would be perfect depth as a 1-tech and a nose tackle for 3-4 sets and as an all around movable part. something ATL likes.
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I'd take Hunter, Hamilton, and Terrance Williams before Bailey, personally, and switch Wilson and Smith around and that'd be a pretty decent haul in the first 2 rounds.
sorry KC fans...

1. Kansas City Chiefs - Matt Barkley /QB/ USC:

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7. Philadelphia Eagles – E.J. Manuel /QB/ Florida State:

Been taking more looks at both and I think Bark is going to still be the first taken.
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Niners just drafted a WR in the 1st. Why would they do that again?
Because AJ Jenkins is a bust? What else does that team need? A safety if they don't keep Goldson but that's about it they have young talent at every position except WR pretty much.
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4. Cleveland Browns Keenan Allen* /WR/ California:
IMO, unquestionably, WR is the Browns top need
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5. Carolina Panthers - Luke Joeckel* /OT/ Texas A&M:

7. Philadelphia Eagles Geno Smith /QB/ West Virginia

12. TRADE Minnesota Vikings (CIN) - Manti Te'o /LB/ Notre Dame:

16. New York Jets - DeAndre Hopkins* /WR/ Clemson:
Hopkins stepping up like a #1 WR this season. NFL comp. Miles Austin

21. Miami Dolphins - Tyler Eifert /TE/ Notre Dame:

22. Seattle Seahawks - Sheldon Richardson* /DT/ Missouri:

24. Baltimore Ravens - Xavier Rhodes /CB-S/ Florida State:

25. New York Giants - Barkevious Mingo*/DE-OLB/ LSU:
Only looking at your first round:

4. How is WR unquestionably their biggest need? How about QB, DE, OLBs, S? They used a 2nd round pick 2 years in a row on WR with Little and Gordon and Gordon is shaping up to be a stud, so why use another high pick on one with stud pass rushers like Mingo, Jones, and Montgomery out there?

5. Panthers have one of the best o-lines in the NFL. Jordan Gross is locked in at LT, as much as I think the Panthers will go BPA, I think best defensive player available makes more sense. Someone like Star Lotuleilei or Johnathan Hankins.

7. Nick Foles. No.

12. Brinkley, Henderson, and Greenway. No.

16. Santonio Holmes can't go anywhere because of his contract, we just traded up to get Stephen Hill, and Jeremy Kerley is turning out to be one of the better slot receivers. With glaring holes at RB, RT, OLB, S (going to lose Landry and Bell next year), just don't see how they can burn a 1st rounder on another WR.

21. They need to address WR before TE, they just drafted Egnew out of Mizzou last year so it would behoove them to see how he pans out before using a 1st rounder on a TE.

22. Seattle has one of the best d-lines in the league, particularly up the middle. Very hard to run on them already, a 1st rounder on another DT doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

24. Webb will be back, Jimmy Smith and Cary Williams are shaping up to be studs. Why draft another CB?

25. JPP, Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora, and Mattias Kiwanuka aren't enough pass rushers?
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Like the giants would pick a linebacker before the 4th round. You sure you don't wanna give us a first round TE to?

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25. JPP, Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora, and Mattias Kiwanuka aren't enough pass rushers?
Tuck's contract is up and might be let go, and Osi's definitely gone after the season. I wouldn't be shocked at all for JPP, Kiwi, Tracy and Ojomo to be our DEs going into the draft. I'm willing to bet we draft a DL or DB in the first round.
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But would you? Who do you think is a better choice?

Instead of 2 OT's for the Rams, I would take WR Allen or OG Warmack instead. Saffold is very good and can be moved to RT.
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4. How is WR unquestionably their biggest need? How about QB, DE, OLBs, S? They used a 2nd round pick 2 years in a row on WR with Little and Gordon and Gordon is shaping up to be a stud, so why use another high pick on one with stud pass rushers like Mingo, Jones, and Montgomery out there?
Little is only starting because this group is so thin and racked with injuries, otherwise he'd be buried on the depth chart. Richardson is actually the leading rec and he's missed time. Besides Gordon (who shows promise but a long ways from a stud) there's basically nothing else. They also lead the league in drops.

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16. Santonio Holmes can't go anywhere because of his contract, we just traded up to get Stephen Hill, and Jeremy Kerley is turning out to be one of the better slot receivers. With glaring holes at RB, RT, OLB, S (going to lose Landry and Bell next year), just don't see how they can burn a 1st rounder on another WR.
This is interesting. Hill has been a disappointment but there's a lot of room for improvement. Holmes-Kerley-Hill might do moving forward but Schilens & Gates should get dumped. Is it possible a new GM shakes thing up? They need help on both sides but it seems like the offense is hurting them more then the D. Idk, maby Werner's a better choice there.
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The pick isn't awful and we will see as the year goes on how dire a need CB is, but I would much rather shore up the OL for the Colts. Warmack would be a fantastic pick for us. Solid mock though.
Edited: 19. Indianapolis Colts Jarvis Jones* /OLB-DE/ Georgia:

Dropped Jones. Took a quick look at Jones' medical issue and it's scary. He's likely already off, or will be, a lot of teams boards.
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I'm good with the Niner mock.
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16. Santonio Holmes can't go anywhere because of his contract, we just traded up to get Stephen Hill, and Jeremy Kerley is turning out to be one of the better slot receivers. With glaring holes at RB, RT, OLB, S (going to lose Landry and Bell next year), just don't see how they can burn a 1st rounder on another WR.
EDIT 16. New York Jets - Chance Warmack /OG/ Alabama:
Jets need to reload on offense. With money invested in skill positions already and upcoming hits to the line, going OL in the first might be where they're headed. Warmack is regarded as a special interior lineman and might go around that Iupati mid first range. NFL Comp:Jahri Evans
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I'm not a fan of the Ravens first round pick. I really don't see them taking a CB in the first few rounds. Webb will be back, they aren't going to give up on Smith so soon, they like Graham and Brown, and there's still Jackson to consider as well. Projecting Rhodes as a safety changes things but if Reed comes back then I don't think they take a guy at that position in the first round. Mingo, Warmack, Woods, Cooper, Fluker (projecting him to LG), and Hunter all would be much better picks in my opinion.

Okafor in the second round is pretty nice. He's not as explosive as I would like but at that point it's a good value.
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I'd love Jarvis Jones to the Colts but I doubt either he or Mingo are available that late.
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EDIT 16. New York Jets - Chance Warmack /OG/ Alabama:
Jets need to reload on offense. With money invested in skill positions already and upcoming hits to the line, going OL in the first might be where they're headed. Warmack is regarded as a special interior lineman and might go around that Iupati mid first range. NFL Comp:Jahri Evans
Disagree again. While Slauson isn't outstanding he certainly isn't the reason our offense stinks. Don't see the Jets going OL in the 1st with so many amazing pass rushers available.

As for your Browns' WR pick, wasn't Little a fairly raw receiver with a high ceiling coming out? You don't think he deserves some more time to develop as high as he was drafted? It definitely seems like Little and Gordon are the 1 and 2 guys going forward, they could obviously use a good slot guy but round 1 isn't the time for that.
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Disagree again. While Slauson isn't outstanding he certainly isn't the reason our offense stinks. Don't see the Jets going OL in the 1st with so many amazing pass rushers available.

As for your Browns' WR pick, wasn't Little a fairly raw receiver with a high ceiling coming out? You don't think he deserves some more time to develop as high as he was drafted? It definitely seems like Little and Gordon are the 1 and 2 guys going forward, they could obviously use a good slot guy but round 1 isn't the time for that.
Why does the offense stink? Imo, ultimately it's really Sporano but it's def tied to the running game and losing the their best rec option. Idk what the whole issue was with Plax but losing him has hurt too. Sanchez hasn't stepped up but he's more scapegoat then anything. If Rex stays on, ...looking more and more like a big if, they'll need to fix the basics first-running the ball-stopping the run. Warmack or OT fixes part of the problem with the running game. I know you want one of those touted pass rushers but their stock is falling. Mingo and Montgomery are getting stoned this year and Jones might not even be draftable with his medical condition.

Little's issue with drops is career threatening-it's that bad. A guy that unreliable shouldn't even be your #4. And I loved him coming out.
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Why does the offense stink? Imo, ultimately it's really Sporano but it's def tied to the running game and losing the their best rec option. Idk what the whole issue was with Plax but losing him has hurt too. Sanchez hasn't stepped up but he's more scapegoat then anything. If Rex stays on, ...looking more and more like a big if, they'll need to fix the basics first-running the ball-stopping the run. Warmack or OT fixes part of the problem with the running game. I know you want one of those touted pass rushers but their stock is falling. Mingo and Montgomery are getting stoned this year and Jones might not even be draftable with his medical condition.

Little's issue with drops is career threatening-it's that bad. A guy that unreliable shouldn't even be your #4. And I loved him coming out.
Even without Jones, Mingo, and Montgomery, that still leaves Bjoern Werner, Damontre Moore, and Alex Okafor. The offense stinks because we lack weapons, Jets are bottom of the barrel in terms of QB, TE, RB, and WR (with Holmes out).
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Dropped Jones. Took a quick look at Jones' medical issue and it's scary. He's likely already off, or will be, a lot of teams boards.
if jones falls that far and passes his medical check with ATL, he could easily be a trade up candidate for them.
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Really?I don't think the 9ers need another NT.Maybe I dunno.
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+3485734895 internets for Tyler Wilson at #1. I agree with what you said, but I'd still take Justin Hunter over Bailey if he's available.
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Good 1st round pick for AZ but we have to end up with a potential franchise QB by the end of the 2nd round. TE really isn't that big of a need honestly, Housler is an amazing receiver and he is improving as a inline blocker.
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