Report: Jets teammates vote against Tebow

[derza222]

I agree with MJ. Tannenbaum should absolutely be gone. I think Rex is a solid coach, really good defensive mind, and I could see him being a good NFL coach. I don't care for all the bravado personally, but he certainly does have a lot of pluses otherwise.

He seems like he's lost a lot of confidence and the team, however. I'd give him another year or two and see how it goes. If he doesn't end up sticking with the Jets I think he'll find success with another franchise at some point.

[Forenci]

Originally Posted by Matthew Jones

They don't start him because other people's jobs depend on success. Not many members in New York's organization will (or at least should) be safe if the Jets finish fourth in the division. While pulling Sanchez for Tebow may lead to short-term excitement and some extra spending money for Woody Johnson, Jets fans will still be calling for changes if he is unsuccessful; we also recently learned how Jets players feel about Tebow.

Without truly believing that Tebow would represent an improvement over Mark Sanchez, such a move would be motivated by fan pressure, short-term financial gain, and possibly long-term organizational gains (in the form of higher draft choices) that the people in charge of the decision (Mike Tannenbaum, Rex Ryan, Tony Sparano) would not be around to reap the rewards of.

I'm a fan of Ryan, but I could very easily see him taking the fall for New York's diminishing returns over the past three seasons (13-6, 8-8, 3-6.) More significantly, Mike Tannenbaum should probably be fired. The Jets have enjoyed some moderate success during his tenure, but it has typically been sporadic, and the current team is a mess.

Tannenbaum is responsible for quite a bit of poor roster management, and is on his fifth head coach (Parcells, Groh, Edwards, Mangini, Ryan.) Regardless of whether or not Woody Johnson retains Rex Ryan beyond this season, he may still want to consider firing Tannenbaum for such mistakes as creating a mess in the locker room (permissive coaching, potential disruptions such as Santonio Holmes, Bart Scott, Antonio Cromartie), the financial apology given to Mark Sanchez which will cost the Jets at least $12.85 million next year and $4.8 million in 2014, introducing Tebow to a fragile locker room, and investing heavily in old players.

If Johnson does want to move on from Rex Ryan, firing Tannenbaum should be an even easier decision. Does Tannenbaum really deserve a sixth chance, or should the Jets look for another decision-maker to reform their locker room and provide structure to their organization? He has been a fairly successful decision-maker, but the team is not going in the right direction and it would be wise to consider finding another personnel man to reinvest the cap savings gained from cutting players like Jason Smith, Calvin Pace, Bart Scott, and Eric Smith this year (~$31 million) and possibly Mark Sanchez/Santonio Holmes in 2014 ($16.55.)

Oh I understand that element, but they aren't going to get anywhere with Sanchez anyways so in likelihood their jobs are already gone.

And to be somewhat fair to Tannenbaum, many people believe Johnson is an overbearing owner who helps influence decisions on bringing in players (such as Tebow).

[njx9]

Originally Posted by Miaoww

Clausen still taking flak despite not seeing the field for 18 months. Seems fair.

yup, he's somehow not garbage anymore because he hasn't played in 18 months. seems like a reasonable argument.

[Eazy Picks]

first off, f--- all these reports about unnamed players saying this and that...I dont even believe it. For all I know, the journalist got a player or two to say something and then I just made a bunch of stuff up to make it a juicy story. This kind of stuff is worthless.


And in terms of the Jets...First off, theres a very simple reason theyre losing - Revis is out for the year. The offense was gonna suck and everyone knew it. The defense was supposed to be great, but it cant be without its best player.

Principle problems with the team:
-poor DL play, soft interior run d
-nonexistent pass-rush
-lack of depth at CB
-weak QB. Sanchez is and will always be a below average starting QB. Hes played well in the playoffs throughout his career, but has never shown ability to lead the team there w/o an incredible defense/run game
-not much talent at receiver. and a whole lot less with Santonio out for the year
-shonn greene??? Yea he was nice when they were using him as a tandem with LT or Thomas Jones, but he isnt a workhorse/feature back. FOr the front office to not do better than Bilal Powell and Joe McKnight is poor preparation. McKnight just doesnt look like an NFL running back, more like a career special teamer, and Powell is third-string HB quality.
-DBrick and Mangold no longer looking elite. Their OL used to dominate, but its not doing that anymore. They have a big problem at RT and arent getting as a high a level of play at LT and C as they were before.



What does Tebow have to do with this? Nothing. All the talk about chemistry and media circus??? I dont really think thats the problem here. The Jets have been and will continue to be a media circus, and there have been some bad moments, but I dont think the problem is Ryan has lost the locker room or whatever people are trying to make it out to be, but just theyre not a very good team right now and they are frustrated b/c they went to 2 straight AFCCG and now arent even sniffing the playoffs. They were already dealing with some talent issues, but they would be contending for a playoff spot if not for injuries. I knew as soon as Revis tore his ACL their season was over. Santonio going out for the year was the nail in the coffin. They simply arent a good enough team to overcome those kind of injuries. Their D goes from elite to below average just from the loss of that one player. And their offense goes from bad to worse without their best receiver.

The only solution for this year? PUT TEBOW IN. This is what he did in Denver. Took a a bad situation and found a way to win some game. Kept them in games by not turning the ball over and making a few timely plays. The Jets are getting embarrased right now cuz they are trying to win playing conventional football, but they dont have the right pieces to do it. If they start Tebow and use a run-heavy offense, the defense is still decent enough to make some stops and turnovers. They still have a good secondary, and if the game is close and the offense has good clock control, they can stop teams from running all over their defense without packing the box. When they had Revis they could send their safeties anywhere, but now they are much more limited in their coverage schemes.

-Mark Sanchez is not the QB of the future, they made a huge mistake extending him. If Rex Ryan decides to stick with Sanchez to the end, he will end up getting canned along with Sanchez getting cut. If he gets smart and starts over at QB, he can save his job. Give Tim Tebow the ball and let him win you a few games this season and help the team finish 7-9 or so, good enough to save your job and get another chance to get back on track next year. Use your first rounder on a QB or find a way to get a legit starter through FA or trade, pick up a good running back, a pass-rusher and RT, get Revis back healthy, and they can be a playoff team easily next year. Standing by Sanchez = mistake, and not putting Tebow in because you dont want to feed into the media circus is not good reasoning. You have to think about football here, and being concerned about people calling your offense gimmicky is stupid here. Theres no way the offense would be much more inneffective with Tebow than it is now with Sanchez. Itd probly be better because of the way Tebow makes plays.

[Ness]

This thread has a lot more pages than I thought it would have.

[Mufasa]

Originally Posted by Ness

This thread has a lot more pages than I thought it would have.

Huh? You know it's about Tebow, right?

[descendency]

Originally Posted by njx9

yup, he's somehow not garbage anymore because he hasn't played in 18 months. seems like a reasonable argument.

Basically, if you're a ND QB, you should just quit.

[njx9]

Originally Posted by descendency

Basically, if you're a ND QB, you should just quit.

unless you're joe montana.

[Zycho32]

I'm gonna call it; Tebow ends up in Kansas City this off-season. Whether traded or released and signed, I dunno.

Suffice it to say, Tebow-mania will threepeat and poor Matt Cassell will join Kyle Orton and Mark Sanchez in the proverbial ditch when all is said and done.

Note: I'm not claiming Tebow will be successful, just that the media frenzy will pretty much ruin Cassell like it cost Orton his job as a starter and is slowly crushing Sanchez right now.

[JeffSamardzijaIRISH]

Pretty sure Cassell is already ruined. He's awful.