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Old 11-24-2012, 07:13 PM    (permalink) 
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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The Heisman is for the best player in college football, right?

Well clearly that's Duke Johnson.
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Manziel won it tonight. Excellent.
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It's going to be Teo.

undefeated team. Senior. Good stats.

The fact that the only standout offensive player is a freshman will give the heisman committee a reason to give it to a defensive player this year.
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It's going to be Teo.

undefeated team. Senior. Good stats.
Nope. Manziel broke the SEC yardage record. He had the signature moment.

Vegas has it as Manziel.
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Nope. Manziel broke the SEC yardage record. He had the signature moment.

Vegas has it as Manziel.
hmm interesting. I definitely would not be disappointed if he wins it.
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If ND had an offensive player with awesome stats, that might be different. But you'd need to have a record-breaking, once-in-a-lifetime defensive performance to get it over a guy who broke the freaking SEC yardage record and beat Bama on the road lol.

Te'o will finish second, but it won't be close.
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Its gotta be Manziel. The only argument I see against him is that he is a freshman, and I don't think that really matters. He has the moments and the #s.
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It's too bad that USC is 7-5, as I think Lee is one of the best players in the FBS right now.
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This season is the least I've followed college football in years. Has Te'o really had that great of a year to be in the Heisman conversation as a defensive player? More or less deserving than Suh?
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I think he's less deserving than Suh. Teo is awesome, but Suh was the most dominant player in college football that year.

It's gotta be Johnny. He sealed it up yesterday with a nice stat booster.
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To quote ESPN, Manziel "became the SEC's single-season total yardage record-holder, eclipsing Cam Newton's mark of 4,327 (Manziel finished with 4,600 for the season, breaking Newton's mark in two fewer games)."
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This season is the least I've followed college football in years. Has Te'o really had that great of a year to be in the Heisman conversation as a defensive player? More or less deserving than Suh?
Significantly less.
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My pick is Manziel.

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Absolutely. Lee has had a ridiculous season. If USC was a little better this year, Lee would get a lot of consideration.
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it remains sumlins offense so those stats arent really serious and he screwed the pooch against UF and LSU.

I really struggle to find a guy to vote for tbh
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it remains sumlins offense so those stats arent really serious and he screwed the pooch against UF and LSU.

I really struggle to find a guy to vote for tbh
Newton and Tebow both played in spread option explosive offenses coached by Meyer and Chizik - can't really hold that against him. Manziel put up better numbers in the same conference. He showed up vs Bama and beat the number 1 team in the country.
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I hope teo is nowhere near the award. Id rather see jadaveon clowney. If it went to best player in the country it should go to marquise lee.
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I hope teo is nowhere near the award. Id rather see jadaveon clowney. If it went to best player in the country it should go to marquise lee.
Agree. T'e'e'e'o'o'o is greatly overrated. Very good player, but not a world beater.
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It's Manziel by far. Te'o even in the conversation is a joke.
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I love Teo and I would kill to have him available for the Ravens to snap up, but he shouldn't be in the heisman debate. Great kid with a great story playing on a great defense on a top team, but he isn't a crazy amazing defensive player.
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This. He's not the best defensive player in college football let alone best overall player.
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Newton and Tebow both played in spread option explosive offenses coached by Meyer and Chizik - can't really hold that against him. Manziel put up better numbers in the same conference. He showed up vs Bama and beat the number 1 team in the country.
cant compare meyer or chiziks system to sumlins system. I would compare it to the system leach ran at texas tech and those QBs were nowhere near the heisman either dispite amazing seasons.

Also the fact that Manziel shat the bed on two of his three biggest games is really an issue for me. Also keep in mind he had a Heisman half against Bama, kid didnt do **** in the second half
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It would be a stretch to call what Auburn ran "Chizik's" system. That was Gus Malzahn.
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Originally Posted by keylime_5 View Post
It would be a stretch to call what Auburn ran "Chizik's" system. That was Gus Malzahn.
thats also true/fair
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