Russell Wilson vs Colin Kaepernick? Who is going to be/is the better player? - Page 4

Caulibflower · 11-30-2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by njx9

ok, look, i'm really not trying to troll seahawks fans. but he gets 6 inches off the ground on that jump.

Posted for the throw.

Borat · 11-30-2012, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Caulibflower

Posted for the throw.

I think the passrushers hadn't counted to 10 Mississippi yet.

njx9 · 11-30-2012, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Caulibflower

Posted for the throw.

fair enough, then. it was a pretty good throw.

Caulibflower · 11-30-2012, 09:44 PM

He's better than Andy Dalton was in his rookie year. Way better arm and better athlete, and the mental aspect looks like it's improving for him every game.

Caulibflower · 11-30-2012, 09:46 PM

I suppose I'm not buying Kaepernick yet. I mean... Alex Smith was doing remarkably well before Kaepernick stepped in. It's the QB-friendliest team in the NFL.

gpngc · 11-30-2012, 10:55 PM

Tate's been really good this year. He has 5.4 receiving TDs and 1 passing TD with a 13.0 avg on a team that doesn't throw much.

As for Wilson, he's improved, and his development is far from over.

For this season, they can win with him, but I remain skeptical they can win BECAUSE of him. I think that's what njx is saying too.

But going forward, I don't doubt he can improve and become a very good player.

The concerns about his height are legitimate. He is not effective in a straight drop-back. That's why they have him in gun or out of the pocket. Very rarely does he take a 5-step drop and hit something over the middle. It worries me.

What irks me is his lack of aggressiveness as a runner and tendency to run backwards in the pocket rather than stepping up (which I think is tied to his height).

But overall I'm happy with him. He's improved from game 1 to now drastically. His deep ball is very good for a young player. And he doesn't take unnecessary risks. And he's cool, calm, collected always.

Excited to see what the future holds.

Eazy Picks · 12-01-2012, 09:02 PM

gimme kapernick. the guy is gonna win multiple superbowls w the niners.

ViperVisor · 12-01-2012, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Caulibflower

I suppose I'm not buying Kaepernick yet. I mean... Alex Smith was doing remarkably well before Kaepernick stepped in. It's the QB-friendliest team in the NFL.

Alex Smith completed 60% of his passes and +10 TD to INT the 2 years before Harbaugh.

And team was not good.

Those teams were lacking in...
Coaching
O-Line
Pass Targets

Some QBs suck or implode in circumstances where 2 out of 3 are bad.

John Skelton
Matt Cassel
Mark Sanchez

2011 had to come in with the new staff in an abbreviated time due to lockup.
The O-Line still had a cancer at RG and RT was still looking his age.
Crabtree didn't get practice in due to foot acting up again.
#2 and #3 WRs ended the season with 15 catches each. IR and Cut.
Didn't have a Victor Cruz to set up. Had Ted Ginn and Kyle Williams.
Were also kind enough to drop passes at a rate only surpasses by a couple teams.

A very efficient game manager is an accomplishment under those circumstances.

But whatever. It's just Alex Smith.

I don't expect non 49ers fans to know or care. The problem is the segment of ignorant 49er fans.
Their stupidity/hate has blinded them to it could always be worse.
Just look outside at your neighbor. And they can't even see that.

Caulibflower · 12-02-2012, 12:01 AM

I was half-joking, so I accept the validity of your response. Over the last few years I've alternately defended Smith and compared prospects to him when I think people are overestimating how much their college "intangibles" are going to carry over into the NFL; players who will play fine in the NFL, but shouldn't be taken no. 1 overall. I compared Sam Bradford to Alex Smith over and over again when he was headed for no. 1 overall, and often people took it as an insult. But in retrospect, I think that's been a pretty fair comparison. And maybe picking them no. 1 overall isn't such a bad thing - they haven't been bad.

But Kapernick's got a few things that are hard to come by, exceeding Smith by far in terms of running ability, is a bit bigger, and there's no question whose arm is stronger. If Alex Smith is more accurate, is he more accurate enough that it counts for more than everything else? It's hard to argue Smith has a better head on his shoulders, because regardless of what his wonderlic was, I've watched Alex Smith make some of the most bone-headed decisions under heavy pressure that I've ever seen. Who knows, maybe he would've led the 49ers to a Super Bowl this year. But it seems like the best you can really say of him is that he did a pretty good job of turning it around after a couple seasons when he was in the running for biggest bust of all time. Turning into a competent QB isn't a reason to keep a talented youngster on the bench, and we all know how stats arguments go.

LonghornsLegend · 12-02-2012, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by ViperVisor

Alex Smith completed 60% of his passes and +10 TD to INT the 2 years before Harbaugh.

And team was not good.

Those teams were lacking in...
Coaching
O-Line
Pass Targets

Some QBs suck or implode in circumstances where 2 out of 3 are bad.

John Skelton
Matt Cassel
Mark Sanchez

2011 had to come in with the new staff in an abbreviated time due to lockup.
The O-Line still had a cancer at RG and RT was still looking his age.
Crabtree didn't get practice in due to foot acting up again.
#2 and #3 WRs ended the season with 15 catches each. IR and Cut.
Didn't have a Victor Cruz to set up. Had Ted Ginn and Kyle Williams.
Were also kind enough to drop passes at a rate only surpasses by a couple teams.

A very efficient game manager is an accomplishment under those circumstances.

But whatever. It's just Alex Smith.

I don't expect non 49ers fans to know or care. The problem is the segment of ignorant 49er fans.
Their stupidity/hate has blinded them to it could always be worse.
Just look outside at your neighbor. And they can't even see that.

That's funny because the teams of those 3 QB's you listed had absolutely no interest in Alex Smith what so ever, and have some of the worst QB situations in the league by far. I've never seen a good QB hit unrestricted free agency and get no interest at all, but now everyone wants to assume he's something that he's not.

He was a former #1 overall pick that nobody wanted anything to do with a few months ago. Miami, KC, Arizona, NYJ, or anyone else without a QB. I remember a lot of these exact same arguments when Matt Cassel was starting in NE, maybe we should pull up more of his stats that year, or talk about how it wasn't his fault that they didn't make the playoffs, that surely means he's good enough.

Ness · 12-02-2012, 01:03 PM

I think a few teams would prefer Alex Smith right about now.

Caulibflower · 12-02-2012, 01:26 PM

Russell Wilson is tearing it up right now.

Caulibflower · 12-02-2012, 03:22 PM

Wilson was more impressive than Kaepernick against Chicago. 97-yard touchdown drive to go ahead with less than 30 seconds left, then 80-yard touchdown drive to win in overtime. He's for real.

FUNBUNCHER · 12-02-2012, 04:20 PM

I would say they were roughly equally impressive against the Bears.
CK was more unstoppable, Wilson was more clutch.

It's funny how the Brees comparison was knocked prior to the draft because Brees was an anomaly; the 6 foot All Pro QB.

It doesn't look that way at this early point.

Wilson and Luck are likely to lead their teams to the playoffs, but the Seahawks have a shot to get to the NFCCG.

SolidGold · 12-02-2012, 04:22 PM

If the Seahawks make the playoffs they will more than likely have one playoff game on the road - they are a bad road team. The Seattle home field advantage is pretty amazing though.

Babylon · 12-02-2012, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

I would say they were roughly equally impressive against the Bears.
CK was more unstoppable, Wilson was more clutch.

It's funny how the Brees comparison was knocked prior to the draft because Brees was an anomaly; the 6 foot All Pro QB.

It doesn't look that way at this early point.

Wilson and Luck are likely to lead their teams to the playoffs, but the Seahawks have a shot to get to the NFCCG.

Sort of off topic but i remember not too long ago when the Bears defense was lights out. They do a terrible job of keep mobile QBs in the pocket. On several occasions their ends just bit on the run play to let guys out on the edge.

njx9 · 12-02-2012, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Caulibflower

Wilson was more impressive than Kaepernick against Chicago. 97-yard touchdown drive to go ahead with less than 30 seconds left, then 80-yard touchdown drive to win in overtime. He's for real.

i'll take back some of what i said.

ChiFan24 · 12-02-2012, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Caulibflower

Wilson was more impressive than Kaepernick against Chicago. 97-yard touchdown drive to go ahead with less than 30 seconds left, then 80-yard touchdown drive to win in overtime. He's for real.

As much as I'm still reeling from this, I wouldn't say more impressive. Certainly put together the two best drives though.

Babylon · 12-02-2012, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiFan24

As much as I'm still reeling from this, I wouldn't say more impressive. Certainly put together the two best drives though.

It's got to be tough for a Bears fan to watch that effort the last couple of weeks. How many times did their ends bite on the read option, in both games?

J-Mike88 · 12-02-2012, 06:47 PM

Where's the poll here

Babylon · 12-03-2012, 01:11 PM

So i'm going to go Wilson short term and Kaepernick long term. Reason being at the end of the day defenses i think will adjust to Wilson's signature play and that is rolling right out of the zone read. Kaepernick is still going to be the better pocket passer and in Russell's case you can't hide 5-10 1/2.