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Old 12-01-2012, 04:31 PM    (permalink
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Do you read the thread before calling me out ?

Everybody has issues in their life. Everybody deal with it with a different style. You can't judge a situation when you don't know anything about it. The only thing we know right now is he offed himself in the parking lot and killed his gf which is terrible. Doesn't mean you can come in this thread and call him a coward. Have respect for the player he was and have respect for all the others who are involved with this
Yeah, apparently some people deal with it by murdering the mother of their children.

This stops being about a player and about the game of football when there is murder involved. I don't see how me calling him a coward is being disrespectful to "all others involved", when the guy purposely scarred a handful of other people on his way out.
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I don't think anyone is arguing that Belcher didn't do something horrible by killing his girlfriend. It was a terrible, piece of **** thing to do. The guy clearly felt guilty about it considering he killed himself. He deserved to spend the rest of his life in jail but now he is dead. We will never know all the facts but I think he must have gone through something awful in his head leading up to that so I feel for everyone involved.
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Does anyone's opinion of what happened change if it turns out he was suffering from some sort of mental illness? Maybe he was schizophrenic? I know personally I refuse to place any judgment on the situation until more information is known, except to express sympathy to the families and anyone involved in the tragedy. Obviously no one on here is trying to excuse what he did, but I don't feel like flat out calling him a coward at this point is quite accurate.
Absolutely not. I don't want to get into the details, but I've actually been attacked by a schizophrenic. It was horrifying. **** that.

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You know that had to have been edited in today. That's awesome.
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Holding an individual accountable for rational actions while suffering from a temporary or long term mental psychosis is like holding a man with no eyes accountable for not knowing what the color blue is.
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Holding an individual accountable for rational actions while suffering from a temporary or long term mental psychosis is like holding a man with no eyes accountable for not knowing what the color blue is.
Not quite. Not even close.
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You know that had to have been edited in today. That's awesome.
Awesome isn't the right word.
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Not quite. Not even close.
Actually, that's accurate as it can be. If you are unable to make a rational decision because the contact with external reality is so fractured that it is impossible to do so, you can no longer be held accountable on the same scale.

Is this situation tragic? By all means, yes. Did this man commit murder, yes? Did he cause a great deal of pain for a great many people, yes. Was he obviously troubled and suffering from some sort of mental dementia, disorder, or trauma? We can not be sure of that and to pass judgement for such prior to said knowledge is shortsighted at best.
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Actually, that's accurate as it can be. If you are unable to make a rational decision because the contact with external reality is so fractured that it is impossible to do so, you can no longer be held accountable on the same scale.

Is this situation tragic? By all means, yes. Did this man commit murder, yes? Did he cause a great deal of pain for a great many people, yes. Was he obviously troubled and suffering from some sort of mental dementia, disorder, or trauma? We can not be sure of that and to pass judgement for such prior to said knowledge is shortsighted at best.
Murdering someone in front of their mother, then driving to your work place and saying goodbye to your bosses, is NOT a sign of someone who was in a troubled or unstable state. He knew what he did was wrong and he took the time to go and speak to his coaches one last time before killing himself. Those are not signs of someone who has lost all contact with external reality. It sounded like he knew exactly what he wanted to do before killing himself.
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Murdering someone in front of their mother, then driving to your work place and saying goodbye to your bosses, is NOT a sign of someone who was in a troubled or unstable state. He knew what he did was wrong and he took the time to go and speak to his coaches one last time before killing himself. Those are not signs of someone who has lost all contact with external reality. It sounded like he knew exactly what he wanted to do before killing himself.
I could make a strong argument for those actions being extremely irrational, and it wouldn't be hard to do at all.
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in other news other people died today who didn't kill their girlfriends before ******* up other peoples' days by making them watch you shoot yourself in the head, RIP to them
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This was bound to become a holier than thou dick measuring contest about who's life experiences make them more qualified to be the voice of reason. Tragic situation is really I will say about it. Murder is murder and he left his children orphans, there is no way around that. It's disgusting. Maybe there are more details that will come out that will shed some light on why exactly this happened, it won't make it excusable but there might be something we don't know.
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I could make a strong argument for those actions being extremely irrational, and it wouldn't be hard to do at all.
There is nothing rational about committing murder. Make whatever argument you'd like, i could easily draft one up in the contrary as well and we'd get absolutely no where. Believe what you'd like, you aren't changing my mind. Guy's a coward and a piece of ****, i feel no compassion for him or whatever cracker jack box diagnosis anyone wants to label him with.
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This was bound to become a holier than thou dick measuring contest about who's life experiences make them more qualified to be the voice of reason. Tragic situation is really I will say about it. Murder is murder and he left his children orphans, there is no way around that. It's disgusting. Maybe there are more details that will come out that will shed some light on why exactly this happened, it won't make it excusable but there might be something we don't know.
I can't recall, but were people pounding their chest calling Duerson or Seau cowards?
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This was bound to become a holier than thou dick measuring contest about who's life experiences make them more qualified to be the voice of reason. Tragic situation is really I will say about it. Murder is murder and he left his children orphans, there is no way around that. It's disgusting. Maybe there are more details that will come out that will shed some light on why exactly this happened, it won't make it excusable but there might be something we don't know.
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There is nothing rational about committing murder. Make whatever argument you'd like, i could easily draft one up in the contrary as well and we'd get absolutely no where. Believe what you'd like, you aren't changing my mind. Guy's a coward and a piece of ****, i feel no compassion for him or whatever cracker jack box diagnosis anyone wants to label him with.

You just started the best arguement for me, yet I digress.
Let me be very clear, I don't feel the man should be honored or memorialized, but I do have empathy, and understand that his ability to make a decision you and I would see as rational may have been so impaired that it became an impossibility. Any further argument there from anyone will end in my asking for their credentials. I can say that for me to pass judgement on this person would be foolish, and my time would be better spent feeling sympathetic for those impacted.
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I can't recall, but were people pounding their chest calling Duerson or Seau cowards?
No, I just read the thread. Everybody was placing the blame on steroids and concussions, saying RIP, and talking about what a great player he was.
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You just started the best arguement for me, yet I digress.
Let me be very clear, I don't feel the man should be honored or memorialized, but I do have empathy, and understand that his ability to make a decision you and I would see as rational may have been so impaired that it became an impossibility. Any further argument there from anyone will end in my asking for their credentials. I can say that for me to pass judgement on this person would be foolish, and my time would be better spent feeling sympathetic for those impacted.
Interesting reading all the responses to this tragic event. I tend to pay a little more attention to people like yourself that actually have some life experiences to fall back on. No disrespect to anyone else in here.
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I can't recall, but were people pounding their chest calling Duerson or Seau cowards?
They didn't murder their girlfriend, and mother of their children, in front of her mother and then proceed to commit a very public suicide in front of their teammates, coaches, GM, etc.
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They didn't murder their girlfriend, and mother of their children, in front of her mother and then proceed to commit a very public suicide in front of their teammates, coaches, GM, etc.
but isn't the act of suicide the cowardice?
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No, I just read the thread. Everybody was placing the blame on steroids and concussions, saying RIP, and talking about what a great player he was.
I made a joke that got deleted. Rustled everyone's jimmies pretty good.
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I made a joke that got deleted. Rustled everyone's jimmies pretty good.
Yeah it just sucks we aren't all perfect in life as you.
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