MVP as we head out of November

[Bucs_Rule]

Originally Posted by G Mobile

It probably shouldn't play into it, but the Colts massive sucktitude last year reflects largely positively on Manning and it will carry over into how he is viewed for MVP this year. You can explain more reasons why the Colts were awful last year (coaching, Painter, quitting), but I still believe that Manning gets that team to the playoffs despite the rosters deficiencies. I wouldn't give the MVP to a hurt player, but Manning was practically the only reason the Colts were decent, let alone playoff teams, in those last years. The entirety of the teams success rested on his shoulders; the offense and defense didn't work with out him.

Denver was a playoff team last year, but let's not pretend the were that good. The had multiple 'miracle' wins and scathed by to get into the playoffs where they barely won a beat up Steelers team in OT while in Denver. They have talent but Manning is actually able to utilize it while elevating guys like Stokely & Tamme into productive players. Denver is getting better and better each week. They should be humming by the end of the year with the schedule they have coming up, and if Manning keeps winning then he will be at the very top for MVP.

Last year shouldn't affect the voters this year, but I sincerely doubt that voters will be able to avoid it.

So both Manning and Luck get a lot more credit because Polian had such an awful backup last season? Its impossible to know how many more games the Colts would have won with an average starter. Say they had a QB that was decent and went 5-11. Would that have made Luck and Manning's season this year worse?

The Cardinals have shown this year how extremely difficult it is to win with dreadful QB play. The defense has been playing great and their wins have been real struggles. If the Cards had just an average defense they would have only beaten Philly.

I'm not taking everything away from Manning or Luck. If things keep going how they are, Manning and Brady will be neck and neck for MVP.

The Colts going 2-14 reflects just as much on Painter as it reveals about Manning or Luck.

The quality of a backup should have no bearing on how well the starter is judged. It should be comparing how well the team would do with an average player at that position.

[J-Mike88]

Anyone able to explain why Manning has MORE than a 2-1 edge over Brady at this particular point in time in our voting?

Passing Rating Leaders NFL

1. Rodgers 105.6
2. Brady 105.2
3. Manning 104.8
4. RG3 104.6
5. Smith 104.1
6. BigBen 100.0

TD-Ints

1. Rodgers 28-7
2. Brady 24-3
3. Manning 26-8

By the way, Romo has 15 Ints, Rivers has 14, Ryan has 13, and Brees has 16 Ints.

Brady has more yards than Manning too FWIW.
Both have the same record at 8-3, and IIRC, NE beat Denver this year.
Packer footnote: with the win at Seattle that everyone saw happen, Rodgers would also be 8-3 like Brady & Manning.

[FUNBUNCHER]

Because Peyton missed a season when many of us thought his career was over.
He then signed with a team that was anointed by the Holy Ghost last season with improbable last minute wins and a miracle victory against the Steelers in the playoffs and has turned Denver into one of the odds on favorites to win the AFC.

I do think fans take for granted what Brady does on the football field year after year because they've become numb to his consistency, but it's still hard to argue any QB has had a greater impact on his team's performance this year than Peyton.

Also Peyton isn't playing for one of the top 5 HCs in NFL history. For the most part Manning is the OC in Denver.

For Peyton not only to revive his career as a Bronco but to play at an All Pro level, it's hard not to give him the MVP.

[njx9]

Originally Posted by J-Mike88

Anyone able to explain why Manning has MORE than a 2-1 edge over Brady at this particular point in time in our voting?

because aaron rodgers is ******* terrible. love the statzzz, totally not trying to lead people at all. really love the excuses for your record.

[J-Mike88]

Originally Posted by njx9

because aaron rodgers is ******* terrible. love the statzzz, totally not trying to lead people at all. really love the excuses for your record.

Hey the litigation habit comes out sometimes.... but those stats are 100% authentic like em or not.

[njx9]

Originally Posted by J-Mike88

Hey the litigation habit comes out sometimes.... but those stats are 100% authentic like em or not.

wtf does liking them have to do with the fact that every single post you've ever made is a not-so-subtle attempt to show that the packers were screwed by something, or that a packers player is the goat at something? it's tiresome.

[VernonLawson89]

It's obviously Colin Kaepernick.

[BloodBrother]

can somebody edit this poll and let me vote for Arian Foster. Feel bad for him being the only guy to get a goose egg on this list

[Eazy Picks]

id go with rodgers because of the amount of injuries the packers have dealt with. Also, I have a lot of respect for the way he handled getting screwed out of a win by the refs. he spoke his mind but then got the team to put it behind them and move on with the season. his top target, jennings, has been hurt all year, and the run game has been nonexistent.

[J-Mike88]

Originally Posted by Eazy Picks

I'd go with rodgers because of the amount of injuries the Packers have dealt with. Also, I have a lot of respect for the way he handled getting screwed out of a win by the refs. he spoke his mind but then got the team to put it behind them and move on with the season. his top target, jennings, has been hurt all year, and the run game has been nonexistent.

I wish you had an official vote, LOL.

Still a quarter of the season to go and a lot will happen.....

Originally Posted by BloodBrother

can somebody edit this poll and let me vote for Arian Foster. Feel bad for him being the only guy to get a goose egg on this list

Love the compassion!
But can't vote for him, any RB, ahead of Adrian Peterson.

[Bob Sanders Dreadlock]

Originally Posted by Bob Sanders Dreadlock

Andrew Luck..just kidding...but seriously. If he had less interceptions I think he would deserve more serious contention. Completely turned team around, will likely shatter newtons rookie passing yardage record and had many clutch moments.

5th game winning drive this season. Needs to cutdown on turnovers still

[AntoinCD]

After this weekend Manning has probably gone ahead of Brady in most people's eyes and has a soft schedule to pad his resumé the rest of the way with Oakland, Cleveland and KC still to come. However if Brady can play well against both Houston and SF that may go down better in people's minds than Manning shredding ****** teams.

This year has been ridiculous. Manning will probably win the MVP but get pipped out of comeback player of the year and offensive player of the year by Adrian Peterson

[AntoinCD]

Originally Posted by Eazy Picks

id go with rodgers because of the amount of injuries the packers have dealt with. Also, I have a lot of respect for the way he handled getting screwed out of a win by the refs. he spoke his mind but then got the team to put it behind them and move on with the season. his top target, jennings, has been hurt all year, and the run game has been nonexistent.

Injuries are the easiest excuse to make for anyone, but it's the NFL - all teams have injuries. The Giants have had injuries, the Patriots have had injuries, the Ravens have had injuries, the Steelers have had injuries etc. This isn't just some curse that only affects the Packers. In fact, and not to get into a my dick's bigger than you dick argument, but I would say the Patriots have had more important injuries than the Packers. But you just have to get on with it because it's going to happen pretty much every year

[J-Mike88]

Texans @ Patriots Sunday..... who you got?

Still have Denver #1 if one of them whips the other?

[J-Mike88]

OK, they are talking about this again now, every Monday, and now Tuesday after Brady carved up the overrated Texans......

I tip my hate to these 4, who originally voted for Adrian Peterson: Caulibflower, OSUGiants17, princefielder28, stillma7ic

Now I think there are 3 guys who are in a dead-heat.
Peterson, Manning & Brady.

The next tier IMO is Rodgers & RG3. Rodgers stats are right there with Brady & Manning, and RG3 pass rating is also 104.

My ballot:
1- Peterson (the reason I give the edge to him is he has separated himself from the next-best RB, hands-down. But at QB, there are cases to be made for Manning, or Brady, or Rodgers, or Griffin.)

2- Brady.... the reason above Manning, well, just the TD-Int ratio (29 TD/4 Int)

3- Manning (30/10)

4- Rodgers (29/8)

5- Griffin (18/4) + 748 yards rushing, 6 TD's

[AntoinCD]

Originally Posted by J-Mike88

OK, they are talking about this again now, every Monday, and now Tuesday after Brady carved up the overrated Texans......

I tip my hate to these 4, who originally voted for Adrian Peterson: Caulibflower, OSUGiants17, princefielder28, stillma7ic

Now I think there are 3 guys who are in a dead-heat.
Peterson, Manning & Brady.

The next tier IMO is Rodgers & RG3. Rodgers stats are right there with Brady & Manning, and RG3 pass rating is also 104.

My ballot:
1- Peterson (the reason I give the edge to him is he has separated himself from the next-best RB, hands-down. But at QB, there are cases to be made for Manning, or Brady, or Rodgers, or Griffin.)

2- Brady.... the reason above Manning, well, just the TD-Int ratio (29 TD/4 Int)

3- Manning (30/10)

4- Rodgers (29/8)

5- Griffin (18/4) + 748 yards rushing, 6 TD's

Really shocked to see you bring Rodgers up in this thread but, no, his stats aren't right there with Brady and Manning.

He is averaging 40 yards less per game through the air than both guys. He has the same amount of TDs as Brady but double the INTs. His ypa is also less than both and he has less TDs than Manning. There are a few reasons why people may wish to put Rodgers into this discussion, but saying he has comparable stats to the other two is most definitely not one of them

[cmarq83]

Give it to Peterson. He's not the most valuable player, but I see no reason to give the most prestigious individual award in football to a guy who had 2 other guys have identical caliber seasons to him in the same year.

[Denver Bronco56]

Im going to say AP because i think he will join the 2k club, but if manning and brady have monster last couple weeks it could tilt in their favor

[crossroads]

If Peterson hits 2k yards and the Vikings make the playoffs I would be more than happy to see him win. Otherwise I think it's pretty much a dead heat between Brady and Manning. I think the one thing pushing Manning ahead in a lot of peoples (aka the medias) eyes is that the whole "missed a year due to neck injuries, career almost ended, replaced by a rookie only to work his way back with a new team and have them playing at a superbowl-esque level" narrative. Guys like Peter King eat that **** up, and unfortunately it's people like him that do the voting.

[Halsey]

Yeah, we can't have Manning getting props for helping a team to yet another double digit win/high playoff seed season! Adrian Peterson has run for 100+ in 7 consecutive games, during which his team has gone 3-4! Who cares about winning? AP has pretty stats!

[AHungryWalrus]

Originally Posted by Halsey

Yeah, we can't have Manning getting props for helping a team to yet another double digit win/high playoff seed season! Adrian Peterson has run for 100+ in 7 consecutive games, during which his team has gone 3-4! Who cares about winning? AP has pretty stats!

Ridiculous argument. Both are on winning teams.

Maybe if the Vikings were 3-10, you could make the wins argument. But I mean, Schaub and Foster are playing on the team with most winssss, give one of them the MVP!

[AHungryWalrus]

For the record, I would have voted Brady. Peyton and AD are pretty much an even second in my eyes.

[cmarq83]

Originally Posted by Halsey

Yeah, we can't have Manning getting props for helping a team to yet another double digit win/high playoff seed season! Adrian Peterson has run for 100+ in 7 consecutive games, during which his team has gone 3-4! Who cares about winning? AP has pretty stats!

Yes because his record is so stellar at 1-3 against teams with winning records.

[prock]

Originally Posted by Halsey

Yeah, we can't have Manning getting props for helping a team to yet another double digit win/high playoff seed season! Adrian Peterson has run for 100+ in 7 consecutive games, during which his team has gone 3-4! Who cares about winning? AP has pretty stats!

I forgot that football wasn't a team sport.

[prock]

Originally Posted by Eazy Picks

id go with rodgers because of the amount of injuries the packers have dealt with. Also, I have a lot of respect for the way he handled getting screwed out of a win by the refs. he spoke his mind but then got the team to put it behind them and move on with the season. his top target, jennings, has been hurt all year, and the run game has been nonexistent.

Wait, teh Packerzzz have injuriezz?