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Old 12-01-2012, 01:26 PM    (permalink
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I'm pretty sure if any major conference school had gotten the #1 recruiting class with 2 top 5 players in it that they could easily be ranked #13 (or wherever UCLA started). Josh Smith was also playing like 10 mpg because his fat ass could only handle about 2 minutes at a time (not even kidding). Lamb's transfer is also understandable as Shabazz, Adams, and Powell are all blocking his minutes and UCLA has a couple of 4 star SGs coming in next year. So for him it was either transfer or ride pine for the rest of his college career.

That being said they really have looked poor this year and its all on Howland, although I think its too early too judge right now. If they do flop this wouldn't be the first time he highly underachieves with the #1 recruiting class. He's still getting by on those couple Final 4 appearances early in his career, but if this team fails he will very likely be gone.
You're proving my point. He brings in top recruiting classes and then faulters. I don't get why people expect anything different.
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You're proving my point. He brings in top recruiting classes and then faulters. I don't get why people expect anything different.
Pretty sure your last point was that UCLA is imploding because they lost fatty Smith and Lamb who isn't getting any minutes off the bench. While I do thing Howland has worn out his welcome, he has been burned by guys unexpectedly leaving early. Love was expected to leave after a year, but Rus Westbrook wasn't really (a backup PG in his soph year) and Jrue Holiday was really a surprise in leaving early (after 1 year).

People expect different because he brought the team to multiple Final 4s and coached up the likes of Kevin Love, Rus Westbrook, Jrue Holiday, Aaron Afflalo, Darren Collison, and Jordan Farmar. He actually has a really good track record for producing NBA talent and the only 2 bigtime recruits out of that group were Love and Holiday.

That being said, I do think it might be time for him to go (I guess we will see this season), but saying that he simply brings in top recruiting classes and sucks is pretty uninformed.
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Pretty sure your last point was that UCLA is imploding because they lost fatty Smith and Lamb who isn't getting any minutes off the bench. While I do thing Howland has worn out his welcome, he has been burned by guys unexpectedly leaving early. Love was expected to leave after a year, but Rus Westbrook wasn't really (a backup PG in his soph year) and Jrue Holiday was really a surprise in leaving early (after 1 year).

People expect different because he brought the team to multiple Final 4s and coached up the likes of Kevin Love, Rus Westbrook, Jrue Holiday, Aaron Afflalo, Darren Collison, and Jordan Farmar. He actually has a really good track record for producing NBA talent and the only 2 bigtime recruits out of that group were Love and Holiday.

That being said, I do think it might be time for him to go (I guess we will see this season), but saying that he simply brings in top recruiting classes and sucks is pretty uninformed.
I disagree. With the players he has brought in, he should be getting no less than a 3 seed each year in the NCAA Tournament. Also, UCLA problems are not because Smith and Lamb transferred. Their problems are because they were recruited there in the first place. Howland has recruited the wrong players, and he cannot manage them effectively.
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I disagree. With the players he has brought in, he should be getting no less than a 3 seed each year in the NCAA Tournament. Also, UCLA problems are not because Smith and Lamb transferred. Their problems are because they were recruited there in the first place. Howland has recruited the wrong players, and he cannot manage them effectively.
Smith was a 5 star, McDonalds All-American center. I don't really blame Howland for recruiting him. Lamb just simply got passed on the depth chart by Shabazz, Jordan Adams, and Normal Powell.

Howland has mainly worn out his welcome because he is a hard-nosed disciplinarian and his schemes don't utilize his talent to their best ability. I'm arguing your claim that UCLA is "imploding" and highly overrated. They certainly haven't put it together yet, but it is very very early and they are implementing a ton of new parts. They very well may have a disappointing season (which would probably get Howland fired), but other young teams such as Kentucky are having similar struggles. If they are still struggling in January/February then I will be calling for Howland's head right along with you, but its not really fair to say right now.
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Smith was a 5 star, McDonalds All-American center. I don't really blame Howland for recruiting him. Lamb just simply got passed on the depth chart by Shabazz, Jordan Adams, and Normal Powell.

Howland has mainly worn out his welcome because he is a hard-nosed disciplinarian and his schemes don't utilize his talent to their best ability. I'm arguing your claim that UCLA is "imploding" and highly overrated. They certainly haven't put it together yet, but it is very very early and they are implementing a ton of new parts. They very well may have a disappointing season (which would probably get Howland fired), but other young teams such as Kentucky are having similar struggles. If they are still struggling in January/February then I will be calling for Howland's head right along with you, but its not really fair to say right now.
UCLA lost yet again. So much for their tournament chances.
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UCLA lost yet again. So much for their tournament chances.
Did you not even remotely read the post that you quoted? I guess Kentucky should just mail it in too right?
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Did you not even remotely read the post that you quoted? I guess Kentucky should just mail it in too right?
What don't you get about the fact that Kentucky has a real head coach?
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Did you not even remotely read the post that you quoted? I guess Kentucky should just mail it in too right?
Do you know what's up with Tony Parker?
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Tony Parker is just another version of Josh Smith.
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Do you know what's up with Tony Parker?
Apparently he rolled his ankle before the last game, which is why he hasn't played the last 2. Doesn't sound like anything too serious from what I've heard. In terms of the games before he just looks raw right now. Smith leaving should free up some PT for him though. From what I've seen of him he looks to have a good frame and seems to be a pretty solid athlete, but will just take a bit of time to develop.
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Apparently he rolled his ankle before the last game, which is why he hasn't played the last 2. Doesn't sound like anything too serious from what I've heard. In terms of the games before he just looks raw right now. Smith leaving should free up some PT for him though. From what I've seen of him he looks to have a good frame and seems to be a pretty solid athlete, but will just take a bit of time to develop.
Right on - I followed his recruitment closely since I was really hoping OSU would land him after losing Sully. Now we have no consistent scoring down low. I was just curious since every time I watched UCLA this season or checked the box score he never really had anything going.
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Right on - I followed his recruitment closely since I was really hoping OSU would land him after losing Sully. Now we have no consistent scoring down low. I was just curious since every time I watched UCLA this season or checked the box score he never really had anything going.
Yea, I actually hope he gets some more burn, but Howland loves to play the Wear twins who are both finesse, jump shooting bigs. Parker could add some much needed physicality down low, but we will see how it plays out.
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I thought they were going to blow that at the end, they looked so bad against Baylor's pressure the last few minutes. I really doubt they finish .500 in conference with the B1G being as good as it is.
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Baylor looks legit on defense. I could see them making a run in the tourney if they can just make their shots. Austin should develop nicely.

And I think they'll actually benefit from having to play in a deep conference. Losing to UIC isn't going to help though.
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Northwestern upsets Baylor. This might be the year they finally make the tourney.

The B1G is king in basketball.
They're going to have to go at least .500 in the B1G, which is no easy task. It also doesn't help that they have some bad losses.
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As others have said, the BIG should easily get 6 teams in, probably 7, possibly 8 and the following teams are almost assured of making the tourny:

Indiana
Michigan
OSU
Wisconsin
MSU
Illinois
Minnesota (probably)

That's 7 right there that I don't see jNW passing in conference play unless something big happens. After that, they are competing basically with Iowa and Purdue for an 8th spot if it's there.

Unless there are some surprises with one of the top 7 teams falling off and jNW surprising everyone, I really can't see them making it this year.
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