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Notable first ballot nominees include Larry Allen, John Lynch, Warren Sapp, Michael Strahan, and Jon Ogden.

My prediction is:

Strahan
Ogden
Allen
Cris Carter
Charles Haley
Robert Griffin III

What do you guys think about this class?
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Wait, RG3 isnt in already? Horseshit.
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You forgot Colin Kaepernick and Russell Wilson.
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RG3 had to wait this long? But he's SO dynamic! He can pass AND run! Defenses can't gameplan for him! He's unstoppable! There shouldn't even need to be a ballott!
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All joking aside, I don't think Cris Carter gets in this year.
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I don't know how the HoF committee feels about first ballot OLmen, but Larry Allen definitely deserves it. Guy was dominant for so long and of course, he's got a ring, two all decade teams, 11 pro bowls and 7 all pros. Really hope he goes in. One of the scariest mofos to ever play for us.
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I still cannot believe Carter is not in it.
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Maybe acting like a douchebag on ESPN has hurt his image with voters.
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Somebody (I think it might have been Peter King, but I'm not positive) said that a lot of the voters don't like WRs because they think that this "passing" thing is a gimmick and we're bound to go back to the run-first, run-second, run-third style of 1970s football.
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Yeah, over Goodell's dead body.
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Wow. Strahan, Allen, Sapp & Ogden?

Strahan and Ogden should be a lock.

I view Sapp in the same light as Allen. Everyone knows both guys were great players on great teams that won Superbowls. But it's possible that they get burnt for some reason or another.
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Sapp won't be a 1st ballot HOFer. I don't think he's loved by the sportwriters.
Larry Allen should be 1st ballot. No Olineman wiped out DTs like Allen.
And the powers that be need to stop acting like Cris Carter didn't play in the NFL.
So much petty BS.
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I always thought of Sapp as a first-ballot HOFer. The guy is a douche. He always has been. He fell in the draft because, even as a child, he was a douche.

Still, Warren Sapp was absolutely dominant as an undertackle in that Tampa-2 defense.

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It's not that I don't think Sapp isn't 1st ballot worthy, but I don't think he can overcome the politics involved in HOF voting.

In his prime that guy could penetrate behind the LOS at will.
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I still cannot believe Carter is not in it.
From 1993-200-, Cris Carter had 8 consecutive 1,000 yard seasons, amassing 779 receptions, 9,456 yards and 90 touchdowns. A really strong run that appears to be HOF worthy. However...

1993 was the only year during that span that he did not have a 1,000 receiver opposite him.

From 1993-1995, Carter led his team in receiving yards. For the next 5 seasons, either Jake Reed or Randy Moss had more receiving yards than Carter.

During the 3-year span that Carter and Moss were teammates, Moss was clearly the more productive player, putting up 226/4,163/43 to Carter's 264/3,526/34.

So, while Carter was definitely a money player who was dependable and productive throughout his career, it is hard for me to call him a HOFer when, throughout many of his best years, he was arguably not even the best receiver on his team.
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Saying a WR is not better than Randy Moss is not a legit reason to leave someone out of the HoF...
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Saying a WR is not better than Randy Moss is not a legit reason to leave someone out of the HoF...
No...but saying that in 5 of his 8 most productive seasons he was not the most productive receiver on his team is. A HOFer, in my opinion, should be the top dog on his team always, at whatever position he plays, with the exception of early in his career and late in his career. Being the best #2 receiver in the league for a 5-year stretch will not do it. This is just my opinion. I just don't think he was ever the guy that teams really were scared of. He got his yards and his catches, and was a great red-zone receiver, but he was really just a steady Eddie.
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From 1993-200-, Cris Carter had 8 consecutive 1,000 yard seasons, amassing 779 receptions, 9,456 yards and 90 touchdowns. A really strong run that appears to be HOF worthy. However...

1993 was the only year during that span that he did not have a 1,000 receiver opposite him.

From 1993-1995, Carter led his team in receiving yards. For the next 5 seasons, either Jake Reed or Randy Moss had more receiving yards than Carter.

During the 3-year span that Carter and Moss were teammates, Moss was clearly the more productive player, putting up 226/4,163/43 to Carter's 264/3,526/34.

So, while Carter was definitely a money player who was dependable and productive throughout his career, it is hard for me to call him a HOFer when, throughout many of his best years, he was arguably not even the best receiver on his team.
Carter was the best receiver on his team the majority of his career with the Vikings and even Eagles. Jake Reed was a good receiver in his own right, but Carter was better. He was better at getting open, better at being a threat downfield, a better boundary receiver, and has the best hands I've ever seen. Also, he was a lot better at getting into the endzone. Carter was a touchdown magnet and there is a reason why Carter is still being talked about to this day and Jake Reed isn't. A lot of people don't even know about Jake Reed, who never made a Pro Bowl or All Pro selection in his entire career.

Having another good receiver next to him is irrelevant to the individual's ability to perform. We shouldn't knock Julio Jones because he plays with Roddy White, and we shouldn't discount Reggie Wayne's career during the time he played with Marvin Harrison. If you watched Carter play you could see he was truly special.
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It's funny to me someone would call Cris Carter's HOF credentials into question because for a brief few years he played next to one of the top 5 WRs to ever play the game.

CC is a HOFer. There's no serious argument for him not to be enshrined.
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Carter never had a 200 yard game in his career. He had two 3-TD games. He also put up fairly pedestrian numbers in the postseason...63/870/8 in 14 games.

Don't get me wrong...I don't have anything against him. He was a great player, and likely would have won a ring or two save for his teams having very average defenses throughout his career. But in my opinion, he is not a Hall of Famer. And for what it's worth, I don't think Isaac Bruce is either, and his numbers are better than Carter's in some areas.
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Carter never had a 200 yard game in his career. He had two 3-TD games. He also put up fairly pedestrian numbers in the postseason...63/870/8 in 14 games.

Don't get me wrong...I don't have anything against him. He was a great player, and likely would have won a ring or two save for his teams having very average defenses throughout his career. But in my opinion, he is not a Hall of Famer. And for what it's worth, I don't think Isaac Bruce is either, and his numbers are better than Carter's in some areas.
Meh. You could also list factors against him. I mean, who was the best quarterback he ever played with and for how long did they have a rapport together? Warren Moon played there for I think two and a half seasons startin games. Cunningham had that one good year. Other than that it was Brad Johnson or Jeff George. Culpepper was there in the twilight of his career. Even though he never had a three touchdown game, I think that doesn't really matter as you look at the amount of touchdowns he has over his career and it's impressive. If Carter played on the Packers or 49ers as the main receiver during his prime, he might have had an even more impressive career. And it goes beyond statistics. If you watch the guy play he was very good.
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Larry Allen is automatic. Arguably the greatest guard in NFL history.

What's it going to take for people to realize that Terrell Davis was a product of Shanahan's system? Does Alfred Morris need to hit 1500 yards this year, or does Shanahan need to turn me into a 1500 yard back? Cutting back into gaping holes with your 4.7 speed for 4 years does not make you HOF caliber. Davis would have looked at Mike Anderson's 2000 season and gone, "yep, I had a damn good year."

John Lynch...why is he a household name? The guy couldn't cover a book. He was a glorified linebacker and not even all that good in that area. I remember him more for getting his ankles broken in the open field than anything else. If Lynch gets in, Tim McDonald should get in. Not to mention guys whose boots he's not even fit to lick like Darren Woodson and LeRoy Butler.

If Lynch or Davis get into the HOF, it's officially a joke.

Not that it isn't already.

My picks: Coryell, Allen, Haley, Ogden, Carter

I'm a proponent of Roger Craig getting in, but he'd have to wait his turn.
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