Who is the current OROTY?

[xjxdarren]

Originally Posted by SeanTaylorRIP

RG3's heart and intangibles are unmatched, he came back without even being able to run and hit a big completion to get down the 20.

His heart, intangibles and aura are so unparalleled that he incredibly imposed his will onto Kirk Cousins to throw his trademark TD and run in for a two-point conversion. Talk about making one's teammates better...

[CashmoneyDrew]

Originally Posted by J-Mike88

Always excuses someone, from the Luck camp.... I guess he's the only one who has about a 1-1 TD-Int ratio who can blame all of em on the refs & receivers.

I haven't made any excuses for Luck before today. It's just obvious that with this game you looked at a stat line and started mouthing off without knowing what the hell you're talking about.

[AntoinCD]

Originally Posted by J-Mike88

Always excuses someone, from the Luck camp.... I guess he's the only one who has about a 1-1 TD-Int ratio who can blame all of em on the refs & receivers.

You can't bring up bare numbers like you did, then have them explained (by a Titans fan nonetheless) and then just brush that off. If you want to box score scout that's fine, but when people who watched the game (and don't have a bias towards the guy) tell you that the numbers don't tell the whole story then how can you still sit there all bullish and say "nope you're wrong, you may have witnessed the plays but I seen the statzzzzzz"

This has gotten beyond the point of who the OROTY is, and frankly it doesn't make a difference to their careers.

[J-Mike88]

ROY performances

1- Griffin
2- Wilson
3- Luck

Going on how they have played overall, both in terms of passing, running, and clutchness, team wins.
Wilson is the most unheralded rookie I've seen in years.
Dude wins, and puts up rock solid numbers. What's the problem? Nobody watches Seattle games?

[TACKLE]

Originally Posted by xjxdarren

His heart, intangibles and aura are so unparalleled that he incredibly imposed his will onto Kirk Cousins to throw his trademark TD and run in for a two-point conversion. Talk about making one's teammates better...

^^^^

the post of the month right here.

[FUNBUNCHER]

I keep saying that Peyton threw 100 INTs his first 5 seasons in the league.
Luck is going to get those turnovers straightened out.

[njx9]

Originally Posted by J-Mike88

ROY performances

1- Griffin
2- Wilson
3- Luck

Going on how they have played overall, both in terms of passing, running, and clutchness, team wins.
Wilson is the most unheralded rookie I've seen in years.
Dude wins, and puts up rock solid numbers. What's the problem? Nobody watches Seattle games?

as if you know anything about any of the three of them that you haven't read in a box score. and yes, i've watched just about every seahawks game. want to try again? or is this just a long troll to nominate aaron rodgers for oroty?

[J-Mike88]

Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

I keep saying that Peyton threw 100 INTs his first 5 seasons in the league.
Luck is going to get those turnovers straightened out.

That's classic right there....

[J-Mike88]

Originally Posted by njx9

as if you know anything about any of the three of them that you haven't read in a box score. and yes, i've watched just about every seahawks game. want to try again? or is this just a long troll to nominate aaron rodgers for oroty?

Stop trying to turn every thread into a Packers thread.
What is this, 2010 for you again?

[AntoinCD]

Originally Posted by J-Mike88

That's classic right there....

Originally Posted by J-Mike88

Stop trying to turn every thread into a Packers thread.
What is this, 2010 for you again?

[xjxdarren]

Two years ago, Stanford at Washington, strangely also Luck vs. Locker. The play right before halftime, Stanford was up 28:0, ball at Washington 39-yard line, 4th down. Luck still heaved it up into the endzone nd the ball was picked. Luck's number wasn't pretty at the point or by the end of the that game for that matter. That goes far to tell all those number-crunching Luck-bashers that he simply doesn't care about the gaudery of his own stats, unlike some other qbs who are so content with throwing it to no-man's land in face of pressure at the cost of being called grounding.

[brat316]

What if, Wilson, G3, and Luck all finish with similar records and make the playoffs, who you got then?

[scottyboy]

oh. J-Mike's back. goodie.

[Bob Sanders Dreadlock]

Originally Posted by Ness

Believe what you want.

If Jackson is still the Seahawks quarterback they aren't 7-5. Wilson may have a better team around him, but that doesn't mean he hasn't played as well as a rookie because he's been asked to do less. He's making plays when they need to be made and that's important. Jackson couldn't do that for them last year. The Colts also play in the AFC and the AFC South.

That is more of an indictment of how awful Jackson is. The AFC South is on par with the NFC West. The texans are the best team in the AFC(or second best). The colts are also 3-1 against the NFC

[wogitalia]

Cousins... 158.3zzz just saying.

[FUNBUNCHER]

Russell Wilson - 20 TDs/9 INTs
Andrew Luck - 18 TDs/18 INTs
RGIII - 18 TDs/4 INTs


Luck isn't going to win OROTY with those numbers, considering he's barely completing 55% of his passes.
IMO Andrew is going to be a great NFL.
He isn't one right now.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by Bob Sanders Dreadlock

That is more of an indictment of how awful Jackson is. The AFC South is on par with the NFC West. The texans are the best team in the AFC(or second best). The colts are also 3-1 against the NFC

Or it's a testament to how good Wilson is as a rookie. I wouldn't agree that the AFC South is on part with the NFC West. The 49ers have 9 wins, the Seahawks have eight wins, and the Rams are 6-6-1 at this point playing in a conference where no one has been eliminated yet compared to four teams being eliminated in the AFC, two coming from the AFC South itself. You look at the Colts schedule this season it's been ridiculously easy. They did have that comeback win against the Packers, but they got killed by the Bears and Patriots. Other than those three teams they haven't really faced anybody that would be a clear cut favorite over them heading into the game. Maybe the Lions?

We'll see in the next three weeks how they fare against Houston. I'm not implying that Andrew Luck and the Colts are frauds, but I am saying that I believe Wilson is playing at just as good a level as he is right now. He's on a better team, but like I said they play in what seems to be a tougher conference this year. If Wilson was on the Colts, who knows. They would probably depend on him more, but I'm sure the Seahawks wouldn't depend on Andrew Luck as much if he was in a Seattle uniform. Even if Wilson is on a good team, he still has to make big plays when asked (which he has done) and limit big time mistakes (which he has done).

Kind of reminds me of the Montana/Elway arguments where a lot of people like to give in the nod to Elway as the better player because he didn't have a lot to work with on offense during a good amount of his career and his coaching staff wasn't exactly notable compared to Montana's situation in San Francisco.

[Mufasa]

I find it extremely difficult to justify giving any award to the league leader in turnovers.

Andrew Luck could/will be the best player from this draft class, but no way he's having the best rookie season.

[Timbathia]

RG3 looked awful after quarter time. Lucky for the redskins he got hurt and Cousins came in. Not sure you can give a RG3 OROTY when he isnt even one of the best two offensive rookies on his own team.

[FUNBUNCHER]

What is 'quarter time'????

[Cudders]

Well, how are we framing this discussion then? Is it who should win OROY or is it who will win OROY? The two aren’t interchangeable, seamless topics. If it’s the latter, I don’t mind the argument that RGIII will be awarded with the hardware because his numbers are more pleasing. The media tends to be more quantitative than qualitative. But, if it’s the former, I wouldn’t dismiss Luck on the basis of a single metric or two. If we’re talking overall bodies of work, and adding appropriate context to the debate, then Luck has a case of his own.

From a statistical perspective, his turnover numbers are a blemish. I get that. There are a lot of good-to-great quarterbacks that enter the league as “turnover machines” though. With regards to Luck’s season in particular, I can’t stress enough that he’s second in the NFL in terms of passing attempts. As a rookie. For comparison’s sake, RGIII is 25th and Russell Wilson is 26th. Right now, the Colts are asking Luck to do it all and he’s doing it. He hasn’t been given a crutch to lean on. No, he hasn’t been the most efficient quarterback in the NFL, but I’m not expecting him to establish himself as Manning-esque in his first season in Indianapolis either. That offense isn’t multiple and its design isn’t unique either. It’s a standard offense.

Going into Week 14, Luck was intercepted on 3.2% of his passing attempts. Similar quarterbacks? Cutler and Rivers at 3.5%. Brees at 3.3%. Romo and Dalton at 3.1%. Ryan at 2.8%. Luck is in their neighborhood as a rookie. Without Brandon Marshall. Without Brees’ seasoning, scheme, or weapons. Without Dez, Austin, or Witten. Without A.J. Green. Without White, Jones, or Gonzalez. Now, Luck does have a resurgent Pro Bowler on the outside. After that? Four rookies and a cast-off from St. Louis. Paired with a ground game that ranks in the bottom third of the league on a holistic and per attempt basis. That’s what he’s working with. His squad isn’t stocked with world-beaters.

As for overall team, I do think there are some caveats to consider with the Colts’ record. Indianapolis is a weak wild-card team in a weak AFC that’s projected to finish with a negative point differential. That said, it’s still a flawed roster. A flawed roster that’s still projected to make the postseason. It’s not like it’s clear that the Colts are the better team each game. That team has won a lot of close games against comparable competition. Luck has been the biggest factor in masking some of those holes and raising their compete level. A roster with a 2-14 foundation and a high rate of turnover has jelled behind a rookie quarterback’s poise and put themselves on the precipice of the postseason. That’s unprecedented. Luck’s (and, for that matter, RGIII’s) intangibles are unquantifiable.

[FUNBUNCHER]

The OROTY is awarded on production, not caveats about why a player's numbers aren't statistically impressive.

The answer for every argument in Luck's favor can't begin and end with, 'he throws the ball more', or, 'he doesn't have great talent around him'.

No one is saying Luck isn't a talented player.
But his stats don't really scream OROTY.
For instance I still believe Trent Richardson is an amazingly talented RB, but Robert Morris and Doug Martin have outperformed him statistically.

The most impressive thing IMO Luck has done this season is WIN. But I don't know if that alone is enough to overshadow how Russell Wilson and RG3 have performed as rookies.

[njx9]

"hmmm... someone posted in the OROTY thread, wonder what happened... oh, cool, cudders posted something. and was immediately ignored so redskins fans could cry about the same two statistics that've made up their sole argument for the last month, and a 49ers fan trying to act like luck wouldn't have any success in seattle because the division is 'so tough'. brilliant. i should probably just unsubscribe, but who knows, maybe at some point someone will post something about griffin that isn't solely and completely based on his td/int ratio. probably not, though."

[scottyboy]

redskins fans are making it so hard to like RG3.

Also, every argument in Luck's favor can't be "he throws more" but every argument in RG3's favor is "LOOK HOW MANY ******* PICKS LUCK THREW"

oh.

makes sense.

Cudders, I <3 you

[LonghornsLegend]

Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

Russell Wilson - 20 TDs/9 INTs
Andrew Luck - 18 TDs/18 INTs
RGIII - 18 TDs/4 INTs


Luck isn't going to win OROTY with those numbers, considering he's barely completing 55% of his passes.
IMO Andrew is going to be a great NFL.
He isn't one right now.

Andrew Luck isnt' a great NFL QB right now? And you make that claim based off of statistics? Seriously?