Who is the current OROTY?

[jsagan77]

Originally Posted by Jvig43

No one messes with Scotty.

You're guys circle jerks must be amazing (not that there is anything wrong with that). I guess you have to make due somehow though.

[cmarq83]

Originally Posted by jsagan77

You're guys circle jerks must be amazing (not that there is anything wrong with that). I guess you have to make due somehow though.

Come on professor you're better than that.

[FUNBUNCHER]

The Colts were so bad last season because they didn't have even an average NFL backup starting for them.
They would have won at least 5 games IMO with Rex Grossman as their starter.
Indy just didn't have decent mediocre QB talent to put in when Peyton went down, I don't think they were this God awful, worst-team-in-the-history-of-the game type unit. They literally had no backup QB capable of playing in the NFL.

Still, the biggest argument in favor of Luck winning OROTY is his his W-L record.
Otherwise statistically his passing numbers aren't impressive, except his passing yardage. Luck's completion percentage and turnovers are in stark contrast to the other top 2 rookie QBs this season.

I admit I haven't seen more than 2 consecutive quarters of any game Luck has played this season. But that was enough to see his truly outstanding moments, and those times when Luck doesn't look anything like the best QB prospect in a generation.

BTW I do think RGIII has played smarter than Luck this season, as evidenced by his dramatically fewer turnovers than Luck. At times Luck seems reckless when he passes the football compared to Griffin's decision making process.

The reason I have a beef with some of the arguments in favor of Luck being the best rookie QB playing this season is because oftentimes his pro-arguments veer off into the subjective and esoteric. People have made solid arguments however in this thread favoring Luck that don't rely on phrases like 'football IQ' and 'stats don't matter'.

Shanahan said before the draft he was trading up to the 2nd overall for only two players, and that he was fine with either one.

Honestly that's how I feel too about whoever wins this award.

[Caulibflower]

Originally Posted by jsagan77

Oh jesus her we go with the neg rep waterfall from the highschool crowd. Go OD on some acid or something please.

How many points has this thread cost you, now? Gotta be pushing 30 Gs, right? Was it all worth it?

[jsagan77]

Originally Posted by Jvig43

I was just wondering specifically who it was, be it players or coaches that you were referring to that had just as much of an impact to that teams turn around as Luck.

The point is that no one knows how good Luck would have made that 2-14 team last year. It's irrelevant to make the case that he took a 2-14 team to the playoffs because the team is practically brand new. There is barely any coorelation from last year to this year because of all the turnover. New philosophy, new defensive scheme, new offense, best of all no Caldwell or Polian. There is a huge difference between this years Colts than last. Better drafting, solid FA acquisitions, better coaching. Sure Luck is a huge part of that and will continue to be but THIS TEAM is not the Colts of yester year.

[jsagan77]

Originally Posted by Caulibflower

How many points has this thread cost you, now? Gotta be pushing 30 Gs, right? Was it all worth it?

If I cared about points I guess that would be relevant. I can't help that there's a bunch of Aholes sticking uo for their butt buddy.

[LonghornsLegend]

Originally Posted by killxswitch

LOL but you don't really care, right? Because your life is so great and as a doctoral candidate you're totally above all this silly "rep" business. You're just complaining about it BECAUSE you don't care.

Right. The first person in this entire thread to go out of his way to talk about his profession and how above everyone he is in the world is now constantly crying about his rep being too low. This thread is just dripping with irony at this point.

[jsagan77]

Originally Posted by cmarq83

Come on professor you're better than that.

I'm on a phone so, Excuse me.

[vidae]

Originally Posted by jsagan77

Haha, I got negrepped with a quote of 'don't mess with Scotty'. Some people are just.. Wow.

Words to live by. Negged for even thinking about messing with Scotty!

[jsagan77]

Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

Right. The first person in this entire thread to go out of his way to talk about his profession and how above everyone he is in the world is now constantly crying about his rep being too low. This thread is just dripping with irony at this point.

Cause it's absurd to negrep someone in defense of another poster. He can stick uo for himself I'm sure.

[Jvig43]

Originally Posted by jsagan77

The point is that no one knows how good Luck would have made that 2-14 team last year. It's irrelevant to make the case that he took a 2-14 team to the playoffs because the team is practically brand new. There is barely any coorelation from last year to this year because of all the turnover. New philosophy, new defensive scheme, new offense, best of all no Caldwell or Polian. There is a huge difference between this years Colts than last. Better drafting, solid FA acquisitions, better coaching. Sure Luck is a huge part of that and will continue to be but THIS TEAM is not the Colts of yester year.

Ok I'll just ask again, what difference in FA acquisitions has been as essential to this teams success as Luck? What better coaching, their head coach has leukemia and is in the hospital. What specific draft picks outside of Luck have helped turn it around? The new defensive scheme has significantly helped turn it around, the one that is in the bottom tier of defenses in the league? Youre the one making this argument so I expect you to do a little better than vaguely giving areas of improvement and expecting that to suffice.

And when I say I expect I mean I don't expect you to at all.

[jsagan77]

Just shows what this board has become. A gagle of idiots (minus a small few and they know who they are) who cannot substantiate an argument to save their lives. And Acid isn't expensive, unless of course... Nvm, not worth it(sigh).

[AntoinCD]

Originally Posted by Jvig43

Ok I'll just ask again, what difference in FA acquisitions has been as essential to this teams success as Luck? What better coaching, their head coach has leukemia and is in the hospital. What specific draft picks outside of Luck have helped turn it around? The new defensive scheme has significantly helped turn it around, the one that is in the bottom tier of defenses in the league? Youre the one making this argument so I expect you to do a little better than vaguely giving areas of improvement and expecting that to suffice.

And when I say I expect I mean I don't expect you to at all.

I can only assume that the acquisitions of Samson Satele, who couldn't make it in the powerhouses that are Oakland and Miami, and Winston Justice, best known for letting Osi Umenyiora anally rape Donovan McNabb have made their offensive line the best unit in the league, although I wouldn't know because I don't watch games.

Also, that move to OLB for Dwight Freeney was a huge success. He's like the second coming of LT now.

And don't get me started on Darius Butler. I mean he was only cut by two teams with some of the worst secondaries in the NFL recently (NE and Car) because he was too studly.

Maybe it's the chemistry he has with Coby Fleener. I mean with the start he's had to his career I don't see how he's not the 2nd best TE in the NFL, you know right after Vernon Davis

I mean, who really wants continuity these days? Clearly if you want to win you just need to get a new coaching staff and new players. It doesn't even matter who they are, it's just the change

[Caulibflower]

Originally Posted by jsagan77

Just shows what this board has become. A gagle of idiots (minus a small few and they know who they are) who cannot substantiate an argument to save their lives. And Acid isn't expensive, unless of course... Nvm, not worth it(sigh).

You know it's really hard to die from overdosing on acid, right? That it would be ten times easier for a person to kill themselves by drinking too much alcohol?

[FUNBUNCHER]

Originally Posted by Caulibflower

You know it's really hard to die from overdosing on acid, right? That it would be ten times easier for a person to kill themselves by drinking too much alcohol?

Yeah but it's 10x easier to earn a permanent room in a lockdown psychiatric facility by attempting to prove this hypothesis. If one's brain chemistry is particularly predisposed, LSD can trigger permanent schizo-effective disorder.

Death is relative.
Living without one's sanity is not what I would call being 'alive'.

[y.f.s.]

Originally Posted by jsagan77

Just shows what this board has become. A gagle of idiots (minus a small few and they know who they are) who cannot substantiate an argument to save their lives. And Acid isn't expensive, unless of course... Nvm, not worth it(sigh).

I know Acid isn't expensive. I said the amount needed to overdose on it would be incredibly expensive.

Reading comprehension pls.

[jsagan77]

Who said I wanted someone to die? Another awesome assumption.

[MetSox17]

This thread is fun.

[y.f.s.]

[MetSox17]

I think this thread has maxed out it's potential, and it's time to start posting pokemon pictures.

[xooberon]

Just to get this thread back on track, here is how RGIII and Luck (and Wilson) are stacking up metric wise (this is obviously just raw data and has to be properly contextualized):

Drop % (% of pass att that are dropped): RGIII - 8.5, Luck - 7.3, Wilson - 5.5

Accuracy % (what completion% would look like when drops, spikes, throw aways etc aren't factored in): RGIII - 79.7, Wilson - 75.1, Luck - 67.1

YIA% (% of yards that come before the catch): Luck - 64.0, Wilson - 62.9, RGIII - 53.6

Deep Passing Acc % (completion % (including drops) of balls thrown for 20 yards or more): RGIII - 51.6, Wilson - 46.4, Luck - 41.8 [Important to note that RGIII attempts deep throws about half as much as Wilson and Luck]

Pressure % (% of dropbacks under pressure): Wilson - 39.0, Luck - 38.1, RGIII - 36.3

Completion % Under Pressure: RGIII - 59.2, Wilson - 44.2, Luck - 41.7

Accuracy % Under Pressure: RGIII - 78.2, Wilson - 63.9, Luck - 54.5

Source: PFF

[crisco0710]

Originally Posted by jsagan77

4,796 yards is the NFL record for worst all time. They were on track to beat that output earlier in the season then they Playeed Foles, clamped down in the second half aganst Eli and Flaaco to bring their average down. So while now the Bucs look to be the worst in NFL history but the skins were on that pace and still could break it (they are that bad).

Then you bring up ONE play where his reciever helped him out (despite him actually saying he meant to put it there) to make it look like he's had his recievers making great catches all year (despite Garcon only playing in 2.2 games up until recently. He had that catch, the Moss grab, and maybe a couple others but it's been way less than some of the amazing grabs I've seen Luck recievers make. But that's part of the game. All QB's get help from their recievers. But for most of the season he's been throwing to journeymen, UDFA's, a declining Moss and 6th round draft pick and he's still killing it. (and again this shows me that you haven't watched him nearly enough to form a valid opinion.)

Then there are the drops. I'm not going to get into it much because again it's part of the game. But they've literally cost us two games a few deep bomb touchdowns and tons of first downs.

Then you talk about him reading defenses. You have no validation to even assert what your saying. Did you ever stop and think that the reason he scrambles is because there's nothing there from all his progressions and he's got defenders bearing down on him? I don't get why you try to make it look like he only hits his primary. There's a reason he has 4 guys peaking toward 500 yards instead of one or two with 1k+? It's because he DOESN't lock onto his primary read and spreads the ball out appropriately. He gets the ball to the open guy period, and he does it quickly and accurately and hist stats reflect the eye test.

His stats are not smoke and mirrors. In his case they are extremely telling as to what he's done on the field.

The reason I've been so shocked throughout this thread is because RG3 has been consistently better, more accurate, less careless with the football, and has shown immense ability as a playmaker and has brought his team back or put them in position to win constantly, and has been an exceptional leader.

Luck has done a lot of the same things. I think he's great and will be a good one but this year he has not out performed RG3 and there is no shame in that.

About your silly "Redskin receivers drop more balls" argument you continue to bring up..... Colts are 5th in the league with 30 dropped balls and the skins are 14th with 26 drop balls.

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[jsagan77]

Originally Posted by crisco0710

About your silly "Redskin receivers drop more balls" argument you continue to bring up..... Colts are 5th in the league with 30 dropped balls and the skins are 14th with 26 drop balls.

I don't know why simple math is so difficult to comprehend but here goes nothing. Since RG3 throws less passes than Luck you have to use a ratio to determine drop rate. Do the math, then get back to me.