NBA Discussion Thread - Page 3101

Vikes99ej · 12-12-2012, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Why doesn't anyone ever talk about the Knicks?

#KnicksIn2013

Melo is raping on my fantasy team

<333333 Melo right now

prock · 12-12-2012, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Vikes99ej

Could we trade Pekovic and D-Will for Afflalo?

You simple. boy?

D-Unit · 12-12-2012, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob S

So, is Afflalo still ridiculously overrated here or have you all come to your senses?

What are you even talking about? He's been great for the overachieving Magic. Both on the court and off. He's taken a leadership role and is a big reason why nobody is tanking this season. He hates losing.

MetSox17 · 12-12-2012, 05:24 PM

He marches to the beat of his own drum. Does he have tattoos?

fenikz · 12-12-2012, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob S

So, is Afflalo still ridiculously overrated here or have you all come to your senses?

where do you think he is rated? he is a great 3/D guy and he can be a crucial part of a championship team

think Raja Bell or Bruce Bowens

MetSox17 · 12-12-2012, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by fenikz

where do you think he is rated? he is a great 3/D guy and he can be a crucial part of a championship team

think Raja Bell or Bruce Bowens

Only problem is that he'll always be good enough to be thought of as a #2 or better guy. His perfect situation would be in that role, yes, it'll just never happen.

nobodyinparticular · 12-12-2012, 05:38 PM

Cousins suspended 1 game for his sack tap.

Kings informed just hours before game time.

D-Unit · 12-12-2012, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by fenikz

where do you think he is rated? he is a great 3/D guy and he can be a crucial part of a championship team

think Raja Bell or Bruce Bowens

I've never loved you more.

Rob Hennigan got toasted when he passed on the Bynum for Dwight offers. He specifically went to the Nuggets looking for Afflalo. He might not be a big star in the league, but Hennigan knew he could be a key piece... and he is everything as advertised. While Bynum is rubbing his sore knee somewhere, Afflalo is producing, Vucevic is showing great signs as a starter, Harkless is being developed carefully and the Magic are armed with a slew of picks.

MetSox17 · 12-12-2012, 05:48 PM

Afflalo will have spent every last dime of his pension before the Magic are ever relevant championship contenders again.

D-Unit · 12-12-2012, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MetSox17

Afflalo will have spent every last dime of his pension before the Magic are ever relevant championship contenders again.

What do you have against the Magic anyways?

Their cap situation is good after this season and great the year after. The NBA is the one league where teams can make relatively quick turn arounds because of the way FA is handled. If you have cap space, BOOM, you can add stars. No franchise tags in the way of players following the money.

Brodeur · 12-12-2012, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by fenikz

where do you think he is rated? he is a great 3/D guy and he can be a crucial part of a championship team

think Raja Bell or Bruce Bowens

Afflalo is not that good of a defender.

bantx · 12-12-2012, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by nobodyinparticular

Cousins suspended 1 game for his sack tap.

Kings informed just hours before game time.

Cousins wanted the D

Rob S · 12-12-2012, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by fenikz

where do you think he is rated? he is a great 3/D guy and he can be a crucial part of a championship team

think Raja Bell or Bruce Bowens

Yeah, Raja and Bowens are absolutely fine comparisons for him, he doesn't have near the defensive impact of Bowen though. Just look at some of the drafts we do here and look where he goes. Him and Paul George are insanely overrated here. Getting Afflalo as the best player in a trade for a superstar is abhorrent.

MetSox17 · 12-12-2012, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

What do you have against the Magic anyways?

Their cap situation is good after this season and great the year after. The NBA is the one league where teams can make relatively quick turn arounds because of the way FA is handled. If you have cap space, BOOM, you can add stars. No franchise tags in the way of players following the money.

If a player didn't care about how good a team was and just wanted the most money, he'd re-sign with his current team. They aren't signing any superstars there and they'll probably play themselves out of contention for high lottery picks. I see them turning into what the Rockets had been pre-Harden.

D-Unit · 12-12-2012, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

Afflalo is not that good of a defender.

Yeah, he's developed his game. In the beginning of his career he was typecast as a "defensive specialist", but he's rounded out his game and has picked up his offense. In doing so, he's lost some of that defensive focus, but he's not a liability and can lock down in moments. This year, he's played some more SF than originally planned since Hedo went down with a broken wrist. He's a better defender against SGs than SFs...But he's still been fine. You can tell he's still pressing a little and hasn't quite found his grove with the team yet. But if he stays aggressive, that's when he's been at his best.

I have absolutely no gripes about him and the importance of his role on the team. I thought he and Redick would have difficulty blending together playing the same position, but it's been working out. Both guys are true professionals.

D-Unit · 12-12-2012, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob S

Yeah, Raja and Bowens are absolutely fine comparisons for him, he doesn't have near the defensive impact of Bowen though. Just look at some of the drafts we do here and look where he goes. Him and Paul George are insanely overrated here. Getting Afflalo as the best player in a trade for a superstar is abhorrent.

Would you have preferred Bynum?

This was a trade where the Magic tried to get something where maybe the sum of the parts could equal what they gave up. They weren't ever able to trade Howard for another healthy Superstar.

Brodeur · 12-12-2012, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob S

Yeah, Raja and Bowens are absolutely fine comparisons for him, he doesn't have near the defensive impact of Bowen though. Just look at some of the drafts we do here and look where he goes. Him and Paul George are insanely overrated here. Getting Afflalo as the best player in a trade for a superstar is abhorrent.

You know who else is overrated here? Melo.

D-Unit · 12-12-2012, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MetSox17

If a player didn't care about how good a team was and just wanted the most money, he'd re-sign with his current team. They aren't signing any superstars there and they'll probably play themselves out of contention for high lottery picks. I see them turning into what the Rockets had been pre-Harden.

A lot of young players don't care about being on a good team when they are coming out of their rookie contracts. They are looking for that big pay day. Just look at the guy you mentioned.... Harden. As long as teams have max dollars to give out, they will always have a chance at adding a superstar.

I actually don't think the summer of 2013 will be the time the Magic make big changes in their roster. Even though they can add a max contract, I think they will wait till the summer of 2014, when they have even more cap.

Rob S · 12-12-2012, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

Would you have preferred Bynum?

This was a trade where the Magic tried to get something where maybe the sum of the parts could equal what they gave up. They weren't ever able to trade Howard for another healthy Superstar.

How could you not prefer Bynum? I mean, you couldn't assume the injury would be this bad. At least you actually get a potential #1 option. Look, this wasn't a sum of the parts trade....they're going for the tank job. That's fine (and a very viable strategy in the NBA), but let's call a spade a spade here.

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You know who else is overrated here? Melo.

I'm not sure about that. He gets his far share of hate here. He's easily been a top 10 player this year.

bigbluedefense · 12-12-2012, 06:57 PM

Melo is a top 5 player in the league.

D-Unit · 12-12-2012, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

You know who else is overrated here? Melo.

But nobody is overrated like Varejao.

bantx · 12-12-2012, 07:05 PM

BuckeyeDan17 · 12-12-2012, 07:15 PM

CJ Miles is unstoppable right now.
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Brodeur · 12-12-2012, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob S

I'm not sure about that. He gets his far share of hate here. He's easily been a top 10 player this year.

Oh you. And remember kids, giving a guy a decent contract because had a few good games after years and years of being worthless is a bad idea.

D-Unit · 12-12-2012, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob S

How could you not prefer Bynum? I mean, you couldn't assume the injury would be this bad. At least you actually get a potential #1 option. Look, this wasn't a sum of the parts trade....they're going for the tank job. That's fine (and a very viable strategy in the NBA), but let's call a spade a spade here.

Of course you could assume his injury would be bad. He's had a very LONG history of injury. Thing is, people (fans and silly GM's alike) love to overlook the injury rap sheet on a player, especially when they are as talented as a guy like Bynum is.

Hennigan showed savvy by refusing to do a Bynum for Howard swap. Plus, there was additional risk because Bynum was a FA at the end of the season. The Magic could easily have gone through a repeat of the Howard situation that was there last season/offseason.

Hennigan might've been aiming for a tank job, but not a complete tank job. Not to the point that he didn't want pieces he could use towards the future. He was adamant about not giving up Howard for bad offers. People were sick of the Magic for hanging on to Howard for as long as they did. But they stuck to their guns. They knew it wouldn't be an immediate return, and they knew they were entering full blown rebuild mode, but the sum of the parts could still add up in the end, and that is certainly the hope. Sounds like you're trying to suggest that they purposely made a bad deal in order to tank. That isn't the case at all.

I can sort of see what they are doing right now. They're limiting the playing time of their rookies, and putting on display the vets they might try to trade at the deadline... Jameer, Redick, Big Baby... Harrington when he's heathly, I'm sure he'll get a ton of burn time. Jameer's contract isn't bad. It's front loaded and the last year is unguaranteed. So after this season he'll essentially be an expiring contract. I think the Lakers should trade for him now. How funny would that be? lol

But enough Magic talk. I know how that irritates people.