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Old 11-16-2012, 06:45 PM    (permalink
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I don't want another DE. I hope we go another position. Maybe draft a defensive coordinator? I think whoever on defense we get the scheme will stink and expose peoples play.
With awful Osi looks in the run, and how awful Tuck looks all together... I really would not be opposed if he is truly the BPA.

JPP and Kiwanuka could probably work... for a limited time...
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JPP, Kiwi, Tracy and Ojomo isn't bad. But if we get a chance at a potential monster I'm all for it.
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Who knows how good Tracy and Ojomo are though?
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Who knows how good Tracy and Ojomo are though?
The coaching staff and JR.
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Meh. You and I are the most positive here but I can't even go that far. Who knows what they bring.
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JPP, Kiwi, Tracy and Ojomo isn't bad. But if we get a chance at a potential monster I'm all for it.

That's what I was thinking. But why don't we actually get a better scheme. We rely way too much on the front 4. It's almost like there is the front 4 and if they are not effective, we are screwed because our scheme is pathetic!

I'd rather not worry about our front 4 because of the people above, and get a better scheme. Realistically, TC won't get rid of Fewell, but we can hope someone offers him a job. I am waiting for a DC to give us a good aggressive scheme.
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The DL isn't playing great right now because the players aren't executing. Right now JPP and Joseph are our only DL I expect to play well in any given game. That's not a scheme thing.

As for Ojomo and Tracy, I don't expect much from them, but if JR and TC think they're legit I won't doubt them. If they don't think they're legit, they won't rely on them.
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I want Khaseem Greene so bad in the 2nd round. I think with him and Williams set up as our OLBs of the future we could develop a strong group of LBs. Add in Herz or if he doesn't pan out another MIKE and I love it. My current ideal draft is below
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I'm down with Ansah, not in love with him like some people in this board, but the kid has the tools to be a prime Justin Tuck, if we pick him I'll be very confident in him making good on those tools. The way JPP is making good on all of his raw talent.
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I think the Giants should target Star Lotulelei to bolster the interior of their D-Line.

IF they can't grab Star, they should try to trade up for Bjoern Werner. I like Werner more than the other DEs in this draft. He's all effort with a surprisingly high level of athleticism.
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Both guys will likely be far out of our pick range and Reese wouldn't trade up far enough to get them, in my opinion.
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I don't think we should fall in love with 1 prospect in particular in this draft. It's pretty deep in several positions of need and we should just go after the BPA in any of those positions.

We're gonna have a lot of needs come draft day so just go BPA based on front 7 and OL players on the board.

If a G is the best guy, take him. We need a Guard. If an OT is, take him, we need an OT. A DE, DT, LB. DB. We have options.

Just take the best guy from those positions.
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We certainly do have options.

the salary cap is likely to be tight so that will have an impact for sure.

I think we have around 21 players coming off contract, there are also quite a few veterans who are being overpaid, so there is going to be change in the roster next year.

We do need to take the best player available with each pick. We are lucky that there are likely be plenty of talent at the main positions we are looking for.
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Going by Scott's current rankings, I would expect our first three rounds could look something like:

1. DE Ezekiel Ansah, BYU (DC #10 Senior)

2. OL Barrett Jones, Alabama (DC #26 Senior)

3. LB Chase Thomas, Stanford (DC #53 Senior)
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I don't think we should fall in love with 1 prospect in particular in this draft. It's pretty deep in several positions of need and we should just go after the BPA in any of those positions.

We're gonna have a lot of needs come draft day so just go BPA based on front 7 and OL players on the board.

If a G is the best guy, take him. We need a Guard. If an OT is, take him, we need an OT. A DE, DT, LB. DB. We have options.

Just take the best guy from those positions.
Oh I agree completely. I'm a big believer in that philosophy and so is Reese. Just take the best pick that fits a relative need.
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Just thinking a little outside the box...

If Manti Teo is available around 10 (as im Scott's mock), is it worth us considering trading up for him (for the right price)?

It is quite possibly he is one of the top prospects in the entire draft. He is a genuinely special talent has rare ability, much like Urlacher
I think Teo would allow us more flexibility and dramatically improve how our entire defence plays regardless of the scheme we use.

Sure we need help in other positions as well, but we can address them in later rounds.

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Just thinking a little outside the box...

If Manti Teo is available around 10 (as im Scott's mock), is it worth us considering trading up for him (for the right price)?

It is quite possibly he is one of the top prospects in the entire draft. He has the ability, much like Urlacher did for the Bears, to allow us more flexibility and dramatically improve how our entire defence plays.

Sure we need help in other positions as well, but we can address them in later rounds.
If we were gonna do that, I wish we did it for Luke Keuchly, bc he was the sex on top of sex on top of Ray Rice's thighs.

Manti...I'm torn on him right now. I need to thoroughly scout him before I pass judgement. Part of me thinks he can be Brian Cushing, the other part of me thinks he could be a solid but not spectacular LB. Depends on his combine numbers.

But with all of our needs, I don't think we can afford to trade up this year. We have a lot of needs, this team needs to get overhauled soon, and we can't afford the luxury of going after 1 player.
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Manti is a good player, but like most ND players he's getting a big boost from the Notre Dame hype machine.
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Perhaps,

I looked at it from what he can do.

Just looking at it, he is probably the one player that can pretty much instantly impact and upgrade our defence.

It does depend on value but it seems like an option.

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But with all of our needs, I don't think we can afford to trade up this year. We have a lot of needs, this team needs to get overhauled soon, and we can't afford the luxury of going after 1 player.
In general I do agree with you.

But you could have easily made the same argument in 2004 when we traded up for Eli. I will admit I didn't like that trade, but you can't argue with the results. We have built the offense around Eli and been successful.

I guess the question is whether Teo the kind of player we can build our defence around? and how much would it cost to trade up.
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In general I do agree with you.

But you could have easily made the same argument in 2004 when we traded up for Eli. I will admit I didn't like that trade, but you can't argue with the results. We have built the offense around Eli and been successful.

I guess the question is whether Teo the kind of player we can build our defence around? and how much would it cost to trade up.
QB is really the only position you should trade the farm for. This is a linebacker we're talking about.

As much as I loved Luke last year, and boy do I love Luke, look at who was available at LB in round 2 in the same draft:

-Michael Kendricks
-Bobby Wagner
-Lavonte David


All of whom would do great for us. Of the 3 Wagner would make the most sense bc he has the size we like and he's a MIKE.

But the point remains, you can find linebackers. We just do an awful job of scouting LBs as an organization but they're out there to have.

This draft is actually pretty good at LB, no need to sell the farm for 1.
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QB is really the only position you should trade the farm for. This is a linebacker we're talking about.

As much as I loved Luke last year, and boy do I love Luke, look at who was available at LB in round 2 in the same draft:

-Michael Kendricks
-Bobby Wagner
-Lavonte David


All of whom would do great for us. Of the 3 Wagner would make the most sense bc he has the size we like and he's a MIKE.

But the point remains, you can find linebackers. We just do an awful job of scouting LBs as an organization but they're out there to have.

This draft is actually pretty good at LB, no need to sell the farm for 1.
That was my thinking previously, I just wanted to through the idea out there.

I was a big fan of Kendricks last year to be honest.

There are a lot of good LBs this year. Alot of them are undersized, but I guess that is the trend.
One player I am intrigued by as a MLB prospect for us is Chase Thomas, I suspect he may be more athletic.
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Khaseem Greene in the 2nd
Logan Ryan in the 3rd
Fapping time the rest of the draft.

If Ryan comes out I'm going to be way more annoying on us taking him than I was with Sanu last year.
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Depends on Ryan's 40 time for me. Its hard to gauge how good he really is when he didn't play elite competition in the Big East.
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