Prospect Comparison Thread - Page 32

Caulibflower · 12-20-2012, 11:49 PM

Glennon's more Eli Manning than Joe Flacco. He's more inclined to throw it into a tight window because he thinks he can make it, not because he doesn't know what else to do. I feel that way about Flacco sometimes. It's a combination, of course, because Flacco does have such a strong arm, but he looks a little bit nervous to me. Eli not so much, which is why I prefer him as a comparison to Glennon. I think they both have slightly lesser arms than Flacco, too, just in terms of arm strength. But Flacco's really not a bad comparison. He's pretty similar to Eli himself. I also think Flacco's a little bit more athletic than both of them.

Caulibflower · 12-21-2012, 03:03 AM

Tyler Wilson - Ryan Fitzpatrick

TACKLE · 12-21-2012, 03:35 AM

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Tyler Wilson - Ryan Fitzpatrick

Having a hard time buying that one considering Fitz's arm isn't remotely close to Wilson's.

y.f.s. · 12-21-2012, 10:41 AM

Some that I have been thinking about lately.

Geno Smith - Matt Ryan
Mike Glennon - Poor man's Rivers
Tyler Wilson - Eli Manning
Matt Barkley - Marc Bulger
Zac Dysert - Donovan McNabb
Ryan Nassib - John Beck

Luke Joeckel - Ryan Clady

Keenan Allen - Jordy Nelson
Quinton Patton - Reggie Wayne
Tavon Austin - Wes Welker/Desean Jackson combo

Bjoern Werner - Osi Umenyiora
Tank Carradine - Chandler Jones
Arthur Brown - NaVorro Bowman

norcalgsr · 12-21-2012, 12:50 PM

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Having a hard time buying that one considering Fitz's arm isn't remotely close to Wilson's.

At times, Wilson can get sloppy with his mechanics and not use his lower body resulting in poor velocity. I think that's where the comparison comes from.

Caulibflower · 12-21-2012, 01:40 PM

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At times, Wilson can get sloppy with his mechanics and not use his lower body resulting in poor velocity. I think that's where the comparison comes from.

Right. It was more of a stylistic comparison than a physical comparison.

Caulibflower · 12-21-2012, 01:41 PM

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Keenan Allen - Jordy Nelson

Really like this one.

y.f.s. · 12-21-2012, 01:51 PM

There is a lot of potential for cross-racial comparisons in this draft.

AntoinCD · 12-21-2012, 02:00 PM

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There is a lot of potential for cross-racial comparisons in this draft.

Get outta here with that talk

Bjoern Werner is like all other high-motor white guys like Aaron Kampman, Aaron Schoebel, JJ Watt and Jared Allen - they all have identical play styles

Star Lotulelei is a Tongan DT who played in the Pac12, therefore he is Haloti Ngata

Ryan Swope is Wes Welker

Ziggy Ansah is seen as a "raw", athletic DE who hasn't played that long so he must be JPP

Why watch games to make judgements when you can just go with some preconceived notions? It's much more fun

Cigaro · 12-21-2012, 02:33 PM

Tyler Bray - Ryan Mallett

Docta · 12-21-2012, 03:10 PM

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Ryan Swope is Wes Welker

Ziggy Ansah is seen as a "raw", athletic DE who hasn't played that long so he must be JPP

Swope and Welker are both slot receivers in similar college systems. How is it any different from comparing Tavon Austin to Welker? And have fun finding a cross-racial comparison for a track star from Ghana.

Caulibflower · 12-21-2012, 03:22 PM

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Get outta here with that talk

Bjoern Werner is like all other high-motor white guys like Aaron Kampman, Aaron Schoebel, JJ Watt and Jared Allen - they all have identical play styles

...I was thinking Jared Allen watching Bjoern Werner...

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Star Lotulelei is a Tongan DT who played in the Pac12, therefore he is Haloti Ngata

How about Vince Wilfork?

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Ryan Swope is Wes Welker

This would be a pretty bad one. I'm actually not sure I've seen this one made.

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Ziggy Ansah is seen as a "raw", athletic DE who hasn't played that long so he must be JPP

I actually don't mind this one, either. What'd JPP have the year before he came out, like 6.5 sacks? He didn't have a whole lot of prodcution at USF, but the size and overall ethleticism were obvious on tape, as well as the fact that in a lot of places he clearly didn't know what he was doing and was just running around causing problems, mostly for the other team but sometimes for his, too. I was one of the people who didn't particularly like JPP as a prospect, but I was clearly wrong. I don't think Anseh is quite the athlete JPP was, so you can't compare him to JPP meaning "I think he'll be an All-Pro," but they are pretty similar prospects. I'd be quite comfortable calling him a poor-man's JPP at this point. Strong, long and raw. Neither really has elite speed for a rush end, but with their power, body control and arm length they can get behind the line and be disruptive. I don't think I'd take him 15th overall, but overall I think he compares favorably.

norcalgsr · 12-21-2012, 03:38 PM

I generally try to compare guys who are close in height and weight.

Swope doesn't compare to Welker because he's 6' 205. That puts him closer to guys like Brandon Stokley, Jordan White, and Greg Salas.

Caulibflower · 12-21-2012, 04:27 PM

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I generally try to compare guys who are close in height and weight.

Swope doesn't compare to Welker because he's 6' 205. That puts him closer to guys like Brandon Stokley, Jordan White, and Greg Salas.

Not just his height. Swope is also good at coming down with deep balls and is one of the more phsyical wide receivers, both with the ball and as a blocker, in this class. Those are things you're not really saying about Welker at all. I don't know that Swopes is a slot receiver. Again - he reminds me of Hines Ward. Kind of a poor-man's Golden Tate in some ways. Not to say Hines Ward is a poor-man's Golden Tate, but some of the things Tate is good at are evident in Swope's game. I see some similarities to Anquan Boldin, just to keep throwing out recognizable names.

y.f.s. · 12-21-2012, 04:37 PM

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How about Vince Wilfork?

I can see that. The thing is with Star is that he's so scheme diverse, he could project to any number of guys depending on what you ask him to do. Utah asks him to two-gap so much and play with his weight behind him, but if you put him in a one-gap scheme, he could probably be similar to a (motivated) Albert Haynesworth.

AntoinCD · 12-21-2012, 04:43 PM

MEh, I was being facetious with my comparisons. Basically trying to say people with base comparisons off of how a player looks, not how he plays.

For instance, IMO Swope does not compare to Welker, however when he made that great catch against Alabama Welker was trending on twitter. White WRs are generally compared to Welker, it doesn't matter if they're Julian Edelman or Jordy Nelson. Likewise every white DE is a high motor guy. People still talk about JJ Watt as an effort guy, he does have a great motor, but the guy is an athletic freak.

I don't think Ansah's game is overly similar to JPP yet he is the guy he is most compared to because they were both high upside guys only scratching the surface of their potential.

My point is most comparisons are made without actually focusing on playing styles and tendancies, more of how a player looks or preconceived notions of how a player should perform based on his skin colour, height (every small QB is Drew Brees), build etc

KCStud · 12-21-2012, 05:09 PM

Geno Smith reminds me a lot of Sam Bradford. The accuracy and touch they put on the ball is so eerily similar.

Caulibflower · 12-21-2012, 06:01 PM

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MEh, I was being facetious with my comparisons. Basically trying to say people with base comparisons off of how a player looks, not how he plays.

I know. I was just saying Werner -> Allen and Ansah -> JPP aren't necessarily lazy comparisons; I do think those players have quite a lot in common. They might be easy or intuitive comparisons, but they're not bad ones.

Caulibflower · 12-22-2012, 12:11 AM

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Ziggy Ansah is seen as a "raw", athletic DE who hasn't played that long so he must be JPP.

Pretty much...

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Ansah grew up playing soccer but was recruited to BYU by a Mormon missionary who thought the Ghanaian’s 6' 6" 250-pound frame would lend itself to football.[1] Ansah converted to the LDS faith and was awarded an academic scholarship to BYU in 2008. However, rather than going out for the football team, Ansah, a huge fan of LeBron James, tried out for the basketball team but was cut from both the 2008 and 2009 teams.[2][3] After facing rejection in basketball Ansah did successfully walk on to the BYU track team, where he ran a 10.91 in the 100-meter dash in addition to clocking a time of 21.89 seconds in the 200 meters.[4] Finally, Ansah was persuaded to try out for the football team, and he began playing football for the Cougars in 2010.

Caulibflower · 12-22-2012, 12:22 AM

You see places where he clearly could use some technique work and places where he is looking at the play and thinking about what he should do next instead of reacting intuitively, but that's reflective of the fact that he's only been playing football for such a short time. It's impressive that he is a solid contributor on a major college football team after picking up the sport only three years ago. He has incredible size and athleticism, and when I watch him I see a powerful player who uses that athleticism to overpower and outmaneuver blockers. When he has a better idea of where to be and continues to develop his repertoire of moves, he looks like he's going to be a force. This is a Julius Peppers/Mario Williams/JPP kind of athlete who's very raw. He's going to blow up the combine and in all likelihood go in the first round. If you don't want to watch the whole video, just watch the first snap vs. Notre Dame:

Leon Sandcastle · 12-22-2012, 09:20 AM

Anyone watch Ansah tape and become immediately drawn to Van Noy?

rawdawg · 12-22-2012, 09:23 AM

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Anyone watch Ansah tape and become immediately drawn to Van Noy?

Yeah he really stands out.

armageddon · 12-22-2012, 12:50 PM

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Geno Smith reminds me a lot of Sam Bradford. The accuracy and touch they put on the ball is so eerily similar.

Geno better hope he gets better protection in the NFL than Sam has had. Legitimate weapons would help too. Not having either can stunt your development.

AntoinCD · 12-22-2012, 01:17 PM

I think Werner actually compares pretty well to Kamerion Wimbley. Both are around the same size and both have really good explosion off the snap. Both obviously went to FSU. I do think Werner uses his hands better though. While it isn't his strength in the run game he isn't overwhelmed despite playing at a relatively low weight this year

norcalgsr · 12-22-2012, 03:20 PM

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You see places where he clearly could use some technique work and places where he is looking at the play and thinking about what he should do next instead of reacting intuitively, but that's reflective of the fact that he's only been playing football for such a short time. It's impressive that he is a solid contributor on a major college football team after picking up the sport only three years ago. He has incredible size and athleticism, and when I watch him I see a powerful player who uses that athleticism to overpower and outmaneuver blockers. When he has a better idea of where to be and continues to develop his repertoire of moves, he looks like he's going to be a force. This is a Julius Peppers/Mario Williams/JPP kind of athlete who's very raw. He's going to blow up the combine and in all likelihood go in the first round. If you don't want to watch the whole video, just watch the first snap vs. Notre Dame:

This was one of his better games. I think BYU as a whole was hyped up for this game.