Poll: Rookie of the Year (week 16)

[J-Mike88]

Originally Posted by Bob Sanders Dreadlock

Thank you for proving my point. If thry quit all the way back in October what business did they have nearly beating the patriots?

So now "nearly" is what you use to try and prove your wrong point?
Last I checked, "nearly" doesn't count in the NFL.

By the way, the Arizona Cardinals actually DID BEAT the Patriots this season in Foxboro.

[J-Mike88]

http://www.bloguin.com/thisgivensund...ar-debate.html

[scottyboy]

watching j-mike try and prove an actual football point or opinion is like watching a midget try and dunk on a 10 foot hoop

[J-Mike88]

Originally Posted by scottyboy

watching j-mike try and prove an actual football point or opinion is like watching a midget try and dunk on a 10 foot hoop

I can dunk a tennis ball.

I watch all the games on the Sunday Ticket, and provide stats. I didn't write that article that I posted just now.... it's probably too long for you to read anyway though, and isn't there a Rutgers game on now? Why are you here?


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[G Mobile]

Originally Posted by J-Mike88

http://www.bloguin.com/thisgivensund...ar-debate.html

Very quality argument for Luck in that article. Similar to what some of us have been attempting to say but he does it in a very clear and professional manner. I wish the Griffin supporter in that article would have gone deeper. Thank you for sharing.

[FUNBUNCHER]

Originally Posted by G Mobile

Very quality argument for Luck in that article. Similar to what some of us have been attempting to say but he does it in a very clear and professional manner. I wish the Griffin supporter in that article would have gone deeper. Thank you for sharing.

To be honest I've read the same arguments better articulated in many cases on SWDC.
It's just annoying to me to always read that Luck should win based on(legitimately IMO), breaking the rookie passing yardage record, team wins and his 4th quarter comebacks which I believe are also a rookie record.

However everything else in favor of Luck is just a slew of excuses about why he hasn't performed up to the level of Wilson/RG3.

Bad Oline, poor skill position players, bad D and a bad offensive scheme that forces him to throw.

Did the Colts have the most vertical offense among the 3 rookies by a significant margin?? I dunno.

When 20% of your argument in favor of a player are his accomplishments, and the other 80% are defending his lack of performance compared to other rookies, IMO that's a bad formula.

Cam Newton may not have had the wins Dalton had last season, but his individual resume was more impressive than Luck's.

Over 4K passing on 517 attempts, two 400+ yard passing games, 60% completions, 21 Tds/ 17 Ints, 35 total TDs, over 700+ yards rushing.

Wins for a QB IMO are still really important, and I wonder if these guys were rookies in the same season would Luck's rookie campaign still trump Cam's for most fans??

I just don't like reading the excuse making.
The case for Andrew Luck is strong enough with the passing record, the comebacks and the 10(+) win season.

[J-Mike88]

Well said funbunch & G mobile.

[jsagan77]

Hoping these guys will 'get it' is like hoping a 1st grader can fully digest a physics book.

Baby steps j, baby steps.

Originally Posted by 21ST

He's a giants fan he don't know any better smh.

Originally Posted by J-Mike88

I can dunk a tennis ball.

I watch all the games on the Sunday Ticket, and provide stats. I didn't write that article that I posted just now.... it's probably too long for you to read anyway though, and isn't there a Rutgers game on now? Why are you here?


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[jsagan77]

Every good thing RG3 does, there's always some detractor for his success. For every Sanchezesque stat Luck has there's an excuse.

Well anyone that isn't semi-******** can caveat Lucks season.

10 wins, great. Had the easiest schedule of the big 3 Rook QB's.

Took a 2-14 team to the playoffs. 2-14 team or team with 16 new starters (ding ding). They aren't close to the same team as the 2-14 team of yester year but people constantly ignore it like the colts are some entity that stayed the course with the same players, personnel, FO, and coaches after a 2-14 season and the only new piece is Luck (god it's annoying). They're a young team, over achieving in an easy division, with an easy schedule, who are ultra motivated by their coach's fight for his life. Great story, kudos to them for coming together but to insist it's all Luck instead of him being the main cog is lazy. Football is the ultimate team sport but I'm shocked to see that Luck doesn't lead his team in recieving, rushing, tackles, and return yardage. It's a huge slap in the face to the other players on that team.

Then you have the comebacks. My first question is, why was he put in that position to begin with? Well a lot of the time it's self induced. You can't turn the ball over that many times and expect your defense to hold. Also, if you are the best rookie QB ever, why are you not blowing some of the easier teams on your schedule out? And why aren't your stats better?

Lastly the passing record (smdh), so you fall behind mediocre opponents (a lot of times it's his own damn fault) so all of a sudden your in comeback mode and throwing the Into defenses giving you a lot of underneath stuff so they don't give up the big play and that allows one to rack up yards.

The last thing I'll point out is Lucks consistency. In most every walk of life the best in the world are consistent and that's no different than football.
Consistency is what seperates the Romo's an Eli's from the Peyton's, Brady's, Brees' and Arods'.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits...rt-griffin-iii

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits...74/andrew-luck


All you need to do is look at the two players splits to understand why RG3 is better than Luck and that's consistency. What we've seen from him is unheard of for a rookie, and usually only exists amongst the elite of NFL signal callers. Everyone expected Griffin to struggle but he's been a rock. Take away his #1 reciever, no drop off. Take away his all pro tight end and it made no difference, he just produced. Not only sometimes but all throughout games and has yet to have a rookie like outing. It's remarkable and no doubt a trend at this point. I have faith that Luck will get there but as of right now it's clear who the better QB is.

Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER

To be honest I've read the same arguments better articulated in many cases on SWDC.
It's just annoying to me to always read that Luck should win based on(legitimately IMO), breaking the rookie passing yardage record, team wins and his 4th quarter comebacks which I believe are also a rookie record.

However everything else in favor of Luck is just a slew of excuses about why he hasn't performed up to the level of Wilson/RG3.

Bad Oline, poor skill position players, bad D and a bad offensive scheme that forces him to throw.

Did the Colts have the most vertical offense among the 3 rookies by a significant margin?? I dunno.

When 20% of your argument in favor of a player are his accomplishments, and the other 80% are defending his lack of performance compared to other rookies, IMO that's a bad formula.

Cam Newton may not have had the wins Dalton had last season, but his individual resume was more impressive than Luck's.

Over 4K passing on 517 attempts, two 400+ yard passing games, 60% completions, 21 Tds/ 17 Ints, 35 total TDs, over 700+ yards rushing.

Wins for a QB IMO are still really important, and I wonder if these guys were rookies in the same season would Luck's rookie campaign still trump Cam's for most fans??

I just don't like reading the excuse making.
The case for Andrew Luck is strong enough with the passing record, the comebacks and the 10(+) win season.

[Bob Sanders Dreadlock]

Originally Posted by J-Mike88

So now "nearly" is what you use to try and prove your wrong point?
Last I checked, "nearly" doesn't count in the NFL.

By the way, the Arizona Cardinals actually DID BEAT the Patriots this season in Foxboro.

A team that has thrown in the towel doesn't come back from however many they were down to almost win but thank you for proving again you know nothing.

[Bert Macklin]

Alfred Morris

[P-L]

Originally Posted by jsagan77

Took a 2-14 team to the playoffs. 2-14 team or team with 16 new starters (ding ding). They aren't close to the same team as the 2-14 team of yester year but people constantly ignore it like the colts are some entity that stayed the course with the same players, personnel, FO, and coaches after a 2-14 season and the only new piece is Luck (god it's annoying).

First of all, there are 13 new starters by my count. Second of all, that's still extremely deceiving.

Their starting RB coming into the year was the #2 back on last year's 2-14 team. The current starter is a rookie. Their top two TE are both rookies. Their new starting receiver, Donnie Avery, is a major downgrade from Pierre Garcon. Out of their front seven this year, only one starter has ever played in a 3-4 defense prior to this season.

[SolidGold]

Kirk Cousins

[J-Mike88]

Originally Posted by SolidGold

Kirk Cousins

Not original.

[SolidGold]

Originally Posted by J-Mike88

Not original.

Thanks. Your critique means alot.

[xjxdarren]

Another Luck Passing TD taken off the stat-sheet. And the magnificent duo of Sagan and Puncher would jump out like a pair of clowns saying look at the stats!

Actually it's the trio - JMike's spot can't be overlooked

[jsagan77]

Originally Posted by xjxdarren

Another Luck Passing TD taken off the stat-sheet. And the magnificent duo of Sagan and Puncher would jump out like a pair of clowns saying look at the stats!

Actually it's the trio - JMike's spot can't be overlooked

I thought it was a TD, but what about him staring down recievers and fumbling yet another time. He's gonna put Wayne in a body bag if he's not careful.

And let's not ignore that TY had a bunch of YAC after he caught that TD pass. That's something that gets negative press for Griffin IF it does happen.

And make no mistake Griff has had a lot of bad calls and terrible droped TD's himself. I wish peoPle would actually watch both players instead of using their jump to conclusion mat.

[jsagan77]

Anyone see Luck return that Kick for 102? Stud!

[Rosebud]

Originally Posted by 21ST

He's a giants fan he don't know any better smh.

You're just jealous you don't have David Wilson and your scrub QB isn't even the best rookie option QB this year...I love this thread, tis truly hilarious.

[xjxdarren]

Yeah, as if that was the first time Luck got the short end of the stick this season; as if BG3 got 9 out of every 10 of passes dropped unluckily.

You watched luck?! If you really did I'm pretty sure your vision went entirely power off when Ballard dropped that cakewalk pass the first half that would've kept moving the ball down field. What about another Hilton's drop earlier?

Stop being such a hypocrite and advocating for things you can't even do.

[xjxdarren]

Originally Posted by jsagan77

Anyone see Luck return that Kick for 102? Stud!

Oh C'mon! That wasn't anywhere as impressive as BG3's game-tying four-in-one maga-package of TD pass + 2 point conversion + Huge punt return + game-winning field goal.

You know that better than everyone else on here.

[jsagan77]

Great sack by Luck on 3-4.

[xjxdarren]

Originally Posted by jsagan77

Great sack by Luck on 3-4.

He altered the direction of the field goal too! How possibly could you not have seen that?!

[xjxdarren]

Suck your mom's **** Sagan!

[AntoinCD]

#Lucksucks
#TYforHOF