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Old 12-30-2012, 11:55 PM    (permalink
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Tough game. Hope we can stay healthy next year.
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Romo was bad
Play calling was bad
Dline was bad
DWare looked like a fool
Oline looked like it NEVER saw a blitz before
No adjustments
Wash OC/DC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better than ours
Then to be down by only 6 with 3 min to go and the ball with TOs to spare...roughing the passer. You can add stupid to the list too SMH!!

Total team loss. Soooooo frustrating
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Romo was bad
Play calling was bad
Dline was bad
DWare looked like a fool
Oline looked like it NEVER saw a blitz before
No adjustments
Wash OC/DC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better than ours
Then to be down by only 6 with 3 min to go and the ball with TOs to spare...roughing the passer. You can add stupid to the list too SMH!!

Total team loss. Soooooo frustrating
There it is, the team loss....
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There it is, the team loss....
We win this game if Romo doesn't throw 3 INTs.
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Season is over.......still a cowboy fan. We have a good team......just something is missing. Hopefully they can solve it.......draft is next...
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We win this game if Romo doesn't throw 3 INTs.
We clearly win this game if romo plays well. D was playing bend but don't break all night. Only stat worth discussing is the 21 pts the d gave up when it mattered. Romo was 17 of 34 when it mattered. We need a new qb.
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We clearly win this game if romo plays well. D was playing bend but don't break all night. Only stat worth discussing is the 21 pts the d gave up when it mattered. Romo was 17 of 34 when it mattered. We need a new qb.
Does Romo press ya. That final pick he had wasn't his fault as much as it was a heck of a defensive play. The blitz b/e that the LB did is a tough read for anyone. Romo three a good pass with the check down on the blitz but the LB made a better play. Defense gave up 200+ ON THE GROUND!!!!!!!! Our secondary has been our problem this year with deep balls... They gave up 100 passing yards and couldn't stop the run.

You all can blame Romo all you want. He is the reason we had a shot at the playoffs in the first place. Name any QB in free agency or draft you would take over him today.

Does he get some blame. Ya... But play calling was terrible. Defense was bound to break with all the injuries. Running game was again non-existent.

If we don't help our interior o-line we are going to be bad next year too. Free regressed badly this year. Defense wasn't bad if you account for the injuries. Maybe a better cover safety but other than that we could still use another Nose and better o-line play.
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We have to keep the same scheme on D, Morris can keep beating us but we can't give up 60 yard bombs at all
Take it back!
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We r simply not a good football team right now........I think next year we can improve, but Garrett needs a OC Ann who know if turner can be that or even it would be considered. I think Garrett needs help and I hope he is smart enough to make some changes..

They have to do something.....
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I have never seen a team have to deal with so many constant injuries and still have a shot but for a roughing the passer call. Just on romo, this will clearly go down as a choke but individually there were reasons for each of the ints. The first was on romo but ogletree should have been putting up both hands to make THAT catch. The second if you watch his throwing motion. He doesn't put all the effort he needed to into the throw. Hands up if you know why? Remember when he screwed his hand up the other season throwing a ball and basically punching a helmet. Happened again. The third was fantastic effort on d and a slightly underthrown pass on great pressure. I wouldn't put any of the loss on him until that last INT. Neither of the first two turnovers resulted in points. The last one was a great defensive play coupled with the offensive imagination of a five year old leaving our quarterback to make a touch throw across his body with a defender in his face.

The only conclusion I would really draw from this game is that rg3 and especially Morris are going to be a scary combination to face over the coming years.
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Well it's still admirable that with all those injuries we had a fair shot at the playoffs. Ware was on the field but he was clearly injured and not in game shape. Then also Spencer got hurt.
We lost both Austin and Bryant and still it all came down to that bonehead play by Romo with 3 minutes to go. Romo had a very bad game. The defense had no answers, but I can't blame them: too many injuries. You can't expect to be competitive when 2 of your DLs, 3 of your LBs (I'm counting Ware too), and your starting SS are all out. With an healthy Ware, Lee and Carter there's no way Morris gets 200 yards.

I can't blame Hatcher for that call. I think it's just a stupid rule. He couldn't even see the QB, that was clearly not intentional.

Props to Romo for the second half of the season, but can we win a SB with him at QB? He lost yet another playoff game yesterday. He came out sloppy and couldn't finish strong. That 3rd pick is just... wow.
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I'm spent.

Decent season, ending in failure once again.

I said it earlier in the season, then Romo reeled me in. It's time to move on from this "core". Trade Romo to Arizona for picks, trade Ware or Spencer, cut Austin, play Orton next year and go into a full rebuild, go heavy in the trenches this draft...build around Claiborne, Lee, Carter, Dez, Carr, and Tyron...Let the team win 4-6 games, and draft a QB of the future next year.

I'm willing to give JG another year or two, provided he brings in Norvall(or someone...anyone) to OC.

On another note...anyone else think Dwayne Harris is about to break one every time he touches the ball?

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I'm not quite sure why Rob stuck with the off set d-line against the run. I know he wanted to try and cut off the edge but the zone blocking scheme is designed for the cut back. Lanes were open all night long as guys were unable to get home as Morris jump cut back to the center of the field. The O-line was able to attack our mash unit and peel up to the second level to get the ILB. Simply said they played their game and we couldn't stop it.

On offense I think Garrett dropped the ball in play calling, run game was there didn't use the play action to slow the blitz at all. Never moved the pocket, no boot legs, sprint outs, or WR screens. Romo was a sitting duck back there especially after the whole WR Corps went down. It was so bad they had Hannah playing in the slot a ton in the second half.

As for Romo, the first pick was on Ogletree 100%. Tree ran a terrible route that was at least 4 yards to shallow on the hot route. Romo was expecting Tree to cross deeper and attempt to get to the sticks. On the second throw Romo had a lineman ran into his lap and couldn't step into the pass. The third he had to put it up, Murray never even turned his head around to look for the ball. Yes it was a ****** floater that was easy for the LB to catch but be had London Fletcher running free right at him. My knock on Tony on the third is it looked like he had someone open in the middle of the field.
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Why did romo "have to throw it up"? At that point in the game you have 4 downs, 3 timeouts and plenty of time on the clock, take a sack, throw it away...don't force anything stupid.

There's no defense of Romo in the game last night. When the pressure was on him he failed to deliver. Again. It is what it is, unfortunately. Blame Ogletree, blame Austin, blame the line, blame not moving the pocket.....blame everyone but romo, huh?

D-Unit is right, Romo's defenders will defend him no matter what.
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So do you think you guys will hire Turner as an OC? I am guessing JG is staying put. I think next year will be his critical year, but I always said I don't see him getting fired this year.

Also, did you guys extend Romo? How many years does he have on his contract? Just reading one Cowboys MB on scout.com, and they want romo gone.

What's the overall % of people that want him gone vs fans that like him?
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He's got a year left on his current contract. There were talks in the offseason about redoing his contract that Romo & his agent put off so they could "concentrate on the season".

He's a good QB...with faults obviously.

I want him gone, but that's mainly because I think a team like Arizona could be turned around with Romo at the helm, and the Cowboys could use those picks to rebuild the trenches.
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Stayed away for a bit to reflect. This loss was the summary of our season. When we protected Romo we scored points and looked great. When the defense took away cutback lanes we defended the run satisfactory. Pretty much breaking down the game is the SAME FOR EVERY GAME. Major issues that NEED to be fixed.

Fact I: Jason Garrett is not going to move away from the vertical passing game. The 'Skins were getting a ton of pressure and yet at least two receivers on every play were down the field. That doesn't work when you have pressure.

Fact II: Tony Romo continues, and will always, struggle when he is under duress off the snap. If the offensive line stonewalls and gives a full 3 step drop before a rusher comes free he'll find someone.

Fact III: Kevin Ogletree has NFL talent but is a mental midget. Hot-route-slants (+depth call). Every person in the league knew that audible. He jogged into the cut and then NEVER turned his head to even look for the ball. He should not be on our roster next year for any reason. I'll take a UDFA with heart over 'Tree at this stage.

Fact IV: Injuries up the middle on defense makes it difficult to evaluate anyone else on defense but Sensabaugh jumped off the screen a lot in a negative way. He consistently was in position to make plays against the 'Skins rushing attack but either overran the hole or failed to wrap up.


So fixing the issues? Well Jason Garrett is going to stay so we have to address the issue crippling the offensive scheme he's stubbornly refusing to adapt.

Fix I-II: We are not changing Garrett and Romo isn't going to instantly become more efficient at passing against free rushers. We need a new right side of the line. I liked Parnell at times but not at all against the Redskins. They picked on him when he came on the field and he was responsible for the free rusher AND the follow up rusher on the crippling 3rd down at midfield play. If we leave the first three rounds of the draft + Free Agency without 2 new starters on the offensive line you can pencil in another miserable season.

Fix III: Kevin Ogletree should be cut and whatever is harming Miles Austin needs to be fixed. He is an absolute shadow of himself and it is depressing. Harris can be promoted, and Beasley/Coale/new UDFA(or late pick) can battle for the 4th and 5th spots. No room for players that are not football smart. Ogletree has finally wore out his welcome.

Fix IV: Our safety play is atrocious. I can't grade our ILBs due to them being down the roster guys but every play they were guessing wrong. The NT position needs to be addressed as we had zero push. A top tier safety would allow Sensabaugh to be his mediocre self and not hurt us. The return of "Bruce Lee" will cure most of our ills our defense. I could definitely see a 3rd-4th-5th rounder being used at NT to groom for the starter role over the next year or two.


This team overachieved this year given the talent at certain spots (offensive line) and injuries on defense and Rob has shown he can coach up our terrible backups to an acceptable level most games. No matter how you slice it 200+ yards on the ground is unacceptable and pretty much a sign of instant victory for the team.

This team doesn't need blown up. This offseason's keys are not out of reach at all.

Number 1: PROTECT ROMO. All caps are needed. In the 'Skins game when he had time he was successful. When under pressure he had 3 INTs. Break down those INTs though.

#1: Romo correctly read blitz - Hot route called as a slant - Ogletree jogs the cut and is WAAAAY short of where that route should be run. Blame certainly falls on three people. #1 Ogletree for being a mental midget. #2 Tony Romo for throwing the ball to Ogletree on any play. Just don't throw it to him ever and perhaps your coach will stop playing him. #3 Garrett for continuing to drop out Ogletree when he has better options (Harris and Beasley) waiting in the wings.

#2: Washington plays corner outside and safety deep. Miles running up the sideline with a step to the INSIDE. Romo winds back to throw as Witten gets pushed into his follow-through and the ball is underthrown off the short-arm. Blame game time: #1 Why is Witten blocking 1v1 against the OLB? Scheme failure- Garrett this is on you. #2 Tony Don't ever shortarm a deep ball. If you can't complete the followthrough tuck it and take the sack. #3 Miles (this is nitpicky) when you have a step inside don't cut back behind the defender to get to the sideline. Make your play inside so the QB has your inside shoulder as a target.

#3: Perfect playcall to take advantage of Romo's biggest flaw. Washington badly beat the left side of the line for a free rusher (2 of them actually) Jackson peeled off under the throw Romo read as being open at the snap. Blame game time: #1 Scheme fail again. 'Skins blitzed and extra rusher to the left and no line shift, no RB in the block, and the result is a free rusher off the snap. #2 Tony, Tony, Tony. This INT was a very poor decision. Tony is going to take chances and he is the reason this oline doesn't lead the league is sacks allowed. Off his back-foot over a free rusher is never a line you want to hear. Perfect adjustment by Jackson after realizing Tony had to decide between Sack or swing pass.

Number 2 Offseason Key: Playmaker in the backend. Sensabaugh isn't a playmaker. Church isn't a playmaker. Matt Johnson could be but he hasn't made it out of the training room since being drafted. We have to add a playmaking safety to force some turnovers on defense.

If we fix the free-rushers issue, add a playmaker to the defense, and get healthy this team has no issue improving 2 wins if not more (10 win team). I understand the loss was deflating but it highlighted the continued issues that have never been fixed. It is never flashy to draft/sign quality offensive lineman but they arguably provide the biggest bang for their buck. Bigger holes for Murray and time for Romo in the pocket directly translate into wins.
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Oh ok. Just watching the games last night, I don't think you can win him as a QB. That's another big time game, where you win you're in, if not, you don't get in. Last year it was against us, and you didn't get in. This year, yesterday, against the Redskins and he threw 3 ints, with the last int being just plain bad.

I think maybe on another team like the Cards, with less pressure, I think he can do better. I think the pressure of Dallas is just too much.

A new big time contract for him would be an interesting situation. I am not sure he is the guy that can be a consistent force in driving you to the playoffs. That's step 1, the next one is getting to the SB and winning it.
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He's got a year left on his current contract. There were talks in the offseason about redoing his contract that Romo & his agent put off so they could "concentrate on the season".

He's a good QB...with faults obviously.

I want him gone, but that's mainly because I think a team like Arizona could be turned around with Romo at the helm, and the Cowboys could use those picks to rebuild the trenches.
you must an arizona fan

honestly i think its a miracle that the cowboys with all the injuries and issues with offensive even got to this far, but its a blessing in disguise that they lost that game, with no dez or austin, romo with cracked ribs and that horrible run defense they've wouldve been embarrassed by seattle next sunday anyway
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honestly i think its a miracle that the cowboys with all the injuries and issues with offensive even got to this far, but its a blessing in disguise that they lost that game, with no dez or austin, romo with cracked ribs and that horrible run defense they've wouldve been embarrassed by seattle next sunday anyway
He's not going to get it done man. Not in Dallas at least.

Arizona would give up a 1st and 4th or something similar..I'm sure of it.
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I used to think Romo was a top 7 QB, I started to change my thinking after the Jets and Lions games last year when he pretty much gave the games away. Then the way the 2011 season ended, I pretty much knew what we had, a guy who on his best day is top 5, but just can't seem to have his best days when we need it most.

I looked back at his stats for the 7 win or go home games the past 6 years (of which we're 1-6) and Romo has been mediocre at best.

150 248 1522 Yds 60.5% 8TDs 7 INTs

Just not good enough.
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He's not going to get it done man. Not in Dallas at least.

Arizona would give up a 1st and 4th or something similar..I'm sure of it.
arizona o-line is worse than the cowboys get out of here with that bs that he would turn around the cardinals that team is mess

answer me this question romo-hater but if you get rid of romo who's gonna be the qb to take us the super bowl kyle orton, geno "int" smith, noodle arm matt barkely

romo didnt get it done last night no denyin that but if wasnt for him playin better than any qb in the nfl for the last 6 game this team would 6-10 at best, what the redskins did last night is how you beat any qb whether it be romo, brady, rodgers or brees make him make throws under constant duress and your dbs win the 1 on 1 battles on the outside. don't matter who your qb is that combination works against every great qb. how else do the giants win 2 super bowls?
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Why did romo "have to throw it up"? At that point in the game you have 4 downs, 3 timeouts and plenty of time on the clock, take a sack, throw it away...don't force anything stupid.

There's no defense of Romo in the game last night. When the pressure was on him he failed to deliver. Again. It is what it is, unfortunately. Blame Ogletree, blame Austin, blame the line, blame not moving the pocket.....blame everyone but romo, huh?

D-Unit is right, Romo's defenders will defend him no matter what.
I am not part of the Romolitia army that defends him to all ends I was being objective. You're right a bad route by a wide receiver is Tony's fault and while we are at it he had some missed tackles against Morris on defense. He certainly did not have a good game but I'd put money if you ran the QB of your choice in the same circumstances the only play that differs is the last INT. I agree with you he could have taken a sack from the free rusher. A matter of fact the way free blitzers were coming he probably could have taken 4 sacks in a row and then he would be wrong for not making something happen right?

It simply wasn't our year, even if we won the game injuries and an inconsistent O-line would have caught up real quick. There are things we all should be happy about like a defense that looks solid once everyone is healthy and the emergence of Dez at the end of the season. Believe me I am tired of this mediocre mid road trail we have been in and you might be right that scrapping Romo for a rebuild might be right. I said that myself a couple of days ago in a response to D-Unit. This is Jerry world though and chances of that are slim to non so you have to build to his strengths.
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arizona o-line is worse than the cowboys get out of here with that bs that he would turn around the cardinals that team is mess

answer me this question romo-hater but if you get rid of romo who's gonna be the qb to take us the super bowl kyle orton, geno "int" smith, noodle arm matt barkely

romo didnt get it done last night no denyin that but if wasnt for him playin better than any qb in the nfl for the last 6 game this team would 6-10 at best, what the redskins did last night is how you beat any qb whether it be romo, brady, rodgers or brees make him make throws under constant duress and your dbs win the 1 on 1 battles on the outside. don't matter who your qb is that combination works against every great qb. how else do the giants win 2 super bowls?
Why do we care what Arizona's Oline looks like?

You stack picks with the trade and use them to build the trenches and draft a safety and for depth.

Ride with Orton for a season, and then draft the QB to build a team around next year. It's a full rebuild, nobody is talking about competing with Orton at the helm. If he wins you a few games cool. If not...nothing expected.

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I am not part of the Romolitia army that defends him to all ends I was being objective. You're right a bad route by a wide receiver is Tony's fault and while we are at it he had some missed tackles against Morris on defense. He certainly did not have a good game but I'd put money if you ran the QB of your choice in the same circumstances the only play that differs is the last INT. I agree with you he could have taken a sack from the free rusher. A matter of fact the way free blitzers were coming he probably could have taken 4 sacks in a row and then he would be wrong for not making something happen right?

It simply wasn't our year, even if we won the game injuries and an inconsistent O-line would have caught up real quick. There are things we all should be happy about like a defense that looks solid once everyone is healthy and the emergence of Dez at the end of the season. Believe me I am tired of this mediocre mid road trail we have been in and you might be right that scrapping Romo for a rebuild might be right. I said that myself a couple of days ago in a response to D-Unit. This is Jerry world though and chances of that are slim to non so you have to build to his strengths.
We can fault the WR's, we can fault the Oline, we can fault the playcalling, but we can't fault Romo? That's all I'm saying. I'm sure each INT wasn't the same, and if you pick apart each there were different factors for the picks. At the end of the day....There is a constant here.
Through 3 coaches, HOF WR's & TE's, decent to great Olines. It's Romo...it's Romo guys. It's really that simple. I'm not saying he's not a good QB. He certainly is, and I'd take him over the majority of the QB's in the league, but he's gunslinger that wilts under pressure. That's a fact he's proven time and time again.

You're betting and hoping that he FINALLY turns the corner, that the Oline gets fixed, the Offense and defense stay healthy, and everything lines up in a year for a run.

I don't want that...Romo can probably play at a high level for the next 4-5 years, but if our best chance is that EVERYTHING lines up to win a single Superbowl and we're starting over anyways....We might as well turn the page now. The talent is there to be a constant playoff team for the next decade if the front office can put the right pieces to surround this new core of players.

Hell the Colts, Seahawks, 9ers, and Skins are showing us that you don't have to have a considerable drop off when starting a young QB if you surround him with talent.

It's this simple:
I don't trust Tony Romo to deliver 4 weeks of "Win or Go home" games under the bright lights of the playoffs. Turn the page now.

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i still think we can win with romo if we don't have to romo or bust. if think about every team that has won a super bowl in recent years has had at least one other aspect of their team that was elite. giants have a ferocious pass rush, steelers had the best defense in the league, green bay had a shutdown corners and an elite pass rusher, new orleans defense created a ridiculous amount of turnovers. what do the cowboys do that better than anyone else?
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