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Old 12-28-2012, 02:59 PM    (permalink
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Tyler Bray is the best QB in this class and no one else comes close to his arm talent. Bray did not win because his defense was a joke. The Tennessee offense clearly was not the problem. His attitude and immaturity are the red flag that must be investigated by NFL teams.
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This guy totally intrigues me now. If he stays I am going to say he is the number 1 QB prospect in 2014. Right now he is a one year starter so I think it would benefit him to stick around for his senior season.
Man, Fales is just not that good. He doesn't have a strong enough arm to be a number one prospect in any year. His arm is weaker than Chad Pennington's. The guy is the definition of a noodle arm. He's got poise, he's accurate, he makes his reads, but he's not very athletic and has a very, very weak arm. I'm sorry, I just can't see him being a number one quarterback any year. For all he does well, he's got one of the weakest arms I've ever seen in college QBs who've been suggested as top prospects. Christian Ponder has a stronger arm and is at least a good overall athlete, and he's still pretty terrible.
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Man, Fales is just not that good. He doesn't have a strong enough arm to be a number one prospect in any year. His arm is weaker than Chad Pennington's. The guy is the definition of a noodle arm. He's got poise, he's accurate, he makes his reads, but he's not very athletic and has a very, very weak arm. I'm sorry, I just can't see him being a number one quarterback any year. For all he does well, he's got one of the weakest arms I've ever seen in college QBs who've been suggested as top prospects. Christian Ponder has a stronger arm and is at least a good overall athlete, and he's still pretty terrible.
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Tyler Bray is the best QB in this class and no one else comes close to his arm talent. Bray did not win because his defense was a joke. The Tennessee offense clearly was not the problem. His attitude and immaturity are the red flag that must be investigated by NFL teams.
Good luck with that, he has a lot of throwing talent but there is a lot more to playing in the NFL. He doesn't handle pressure well and struggles to move in the pocket, he has gone into full tard mode against good teams so many times its not funny. Does not seem to have the intangibles of an NFL QB whatsoever, he's a poor man's Jamarcus Russell.
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Ouch, hope you guys are wrong.
I've got nothing personal against Fales at all, he just has no zip on his throws. He's actually got kind of amazing timing, but I've seen a lot of throws on his tape that would absolutely be interceptions in the NFL because the defenders he'll be facing have greater closing speed. You see him throwing hitches and stuff that just barely get to his receiver with a DB screaming towards it, thinking he's going to get a pick-6. In some ways, I get the feeling that Fales knows how strong his arm is (or isn't), because his college INT numbers have remained pretty low despite regularly almost-throwing picks (in my eyes). I look at him and see a guy I'd expect to be holding onto the ball too long in the pros because he doesn't want to throw it up for grabs. If you can get him in an offense that gets the ball out of his hands very quickly on a lot of short timing routes, I think he could have some success - at least, I think he could run that style of offense competently.

But as in San Francisco, where a perfectly competent starter was replaced by another player with more physical talent and a bigger arm, NFL teams want to have as many passing options as possible, and I think Fales' inability to drive the ball hard will really hinder a team. Thus, I can see him in a backup role, a la Colt McCoy or Kellen Moore or someone like that, guys who had a lot of collegiate success and have a good head on their shoulders, but don't have what it takes to be the main cog in an NFL offense.
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The #1 QB will be Mike Glennon. He will be compared to Matt Ryan. Coached by Tom O'Brien, pro-style offense, clean off the field. Like Ryan, Glennon is the prototypical pocket passer, and his arm strength does not impress me - it is just "okay". Ryan also completed less than 60% of his passes in his final season and his YPA was very similar.

The Chiefs' new GM will look back at the 2008 Draft when the Dolphins passed on Matt Ryan and went with the safe pick, while the Falcons chose the QB over Glenn Dorsey. If Glennon can sell his football IQ and passion for the game, I think he will be drafted before Geno Smith.

I still think Tyler Bray is the best QB in this class if he does not waste his opportunity in the NFL with poor work ethic and bad attitude.


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Good luck with that, he has a lot of throwing talent but there is a lot more to playing in the NFL.
In this class, I think his throwing talent is unmatched. If he is an immature party boy, it's a shame. There are the stories about car vandalism, failed drug tests, the boat incident... Maybe he will grow up.
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Lets be serious, would anyone bet 5 dollars on a QB from this class to become a franchise guy? Because I wouldn't, they are all just so underwhelming.

If there is a guy from this class, I'm thinking it will be an under the radar guy who develops.

Obviously some QBs will get pushed up, but I wouldn't rate any of them as a first rounder.
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I think Glennon is the only one who even has a shot of becoming a franchise guy, but he won't be a top-tier guy. Joe Flacco (without the rocket arm) might be his best case.
Bray might be the most talented, but he could go undrafted with his issues.
Barkley will have to play in a dink and dunk offense, but he doesn't look like someone who can carry a team.
Smith can also be a solid, but not spectacular guy. He has the accuracy, but is not consistent enough and doesn't show the command that great quarterbacks have, and he played in a wide open offense.
Edit: Hell, Dysert might be the best quarterback in this draft class after all is said and done.
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Glennon has a huge arm - his arm strength is probably his best asset.
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I think Glennon is the only one who even has a shot of becoming a franchise guy, but he won't be a top-tier guy. Joe Flacco (without the rocket arm) might be his best case.
Bray might be the most talented, but he could go undrafted with his issues.
Barkley will have to play in a dink and dunk offense, but he doesn't look like someone who can carry a team.
Smith can also be a solid, but not spectacular guy. He has the accuracy, but is not consistent enough and doesn't show the command that great quarterbacks have, and he played in a wide open offense.
Edit: Hell, Dysert might be the best quarterback in this draft class after all is said and done.
Bray won't go undrafted. He's no Logan Thomas. He's shown a lot of negatives on and off the field, but he's also played impressively for stretches. His pick won't reflect his natural talent, but he'll definitely get drafted, I could easily see him getting taken in the second.
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Glennon is the real deal. His completion % would be alot higher if it wasnt for Underwood. Numbers dont always tell the whole story. What would Genos numbers be if you took away that little flip foward jet sweep pass? As a Jaguars fan that has had to sit there and watch my team trade up for Blaine Gabbert then watch him run the team into the ground in just under two seasons, I now look to make sure I dont see the same thing in QBs that I seen in Gabbert such as his poor eye level,his poor footwork,and what I believe is his worst trait his willingness to just checkdown after his first read is not there. 3rd and 9 lets check read 1 and check it down to the FB for a 2 yard gain. My point is I dont see any of that with Glennon. He attacks all levels of the field and he is at his best when hes in the hurry up or obvious passing situations. I really dont see too much not to like about him other then how he holds the ball down by his stomach but I can live with that. If Im the Chiefs or Jaguars I take Glennon 1 or 2 overall.
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If Mike Glennon can have a good bowl game tomorrow, I think you'll see him become #1 on everybody's board and a candidate for number one overall.

Positives on Mike are his rocket arm, football IQ, ability to make all of the throws, solid pocket presence, solid release time and some ability to throw on the run. Negatives include a lack of mobility, slightly low release point and a some accurary issues.

His completion percentage shouldn't bother anybody. Tom O'Brien's offense at NC State and Boston College forced the QB to throw down the field often and didn't offer much in terms of screens and dump-offs. If you look at Russell Wilson's freshman to junior completition percentage and then compare to his senior year percentage at Wisconsin you'll get a good representative of how much a type of offense can affect that number. You can also see Matt Ryan's BC stats, where he posted similar numbers.

I don't think he's an elite prospect but certainly believe he can be a top ten QB in the league and the franchise guy for the Chiefs. With the rookie cap structure, I expect the Chiefs to roll the dice on a QB even if he isn't a Luck/RG3 type prospect.
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Albert Breer just reported that Pioli will be retained by the Chiefs. Mike Glennon 1st overall. The Jags are on the clock.
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Albert Breer just reported that Pioli will be retained by the Chiefs. Mike Glennon 1st overall. The Jags are on the clock.
Why do you say that?
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Why do you say that?
There is a rumor that Pioli really likes Glennon, and it's a known fact Pioli already went to NC State to take a closer look at the QB.

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If Pioli keeps his job, it certainly won't be with the option of keeping Matt Cassel or Brady Quinn as the starter. Even if the Chiefs hire a new GM, I think Glennon will be compared to Matt Ryan, people will like his intangibles, and Glennon will be the 1st overall pick because he is a clean, prototypical QB with experience in a pro-style offense. Tom O'Brien only has to say how much he likes Glennon and how he can be as good as Ryan in the NFL.
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Tyler Bray is the best QB in this class and no one else comes close to his arm talent. Bray did not win because his defense was a joke. The Tennessee offense clearly was not the problem. His attitude and immaturity are the red flag that must be investigated by NFL teams.
I wouldn't touch him. He reeks of Ryan Leaf type personality. If I made a board, I wouldn't have him on it at all.

I'm scared of Geno, but not anywhere near enough to take him off the board. He's still a top 15 player to me.
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Albert Breer just reported that Pioli will be retained by the Chiefs. Mike Glennon 1st overall. The Jags are on the clock.
Oh well hey, if ALBERT BREER reported it, it must be true!

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If Pioli gets another chance in KC, it could be w/the coach he wanted all along - Kirk Ferentz. Again, nothing completely certain there yet.
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Oh well hey, if ALBERT BREER reported it, it must be true!
My bad, it was not Breer, it was Steve Wyche:

"Citing a source briefed on the situation, NFL.com's Steve Wyche reports that the Chiefs have decided to retain GM Scott Pioli for the 2013 season."
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A few other people have said that citing sources, Pioli would be let go.

No one knows. At all. And no one knows who Pioli will draft. I can't wait until this is over.
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I wouldn't touch him. He reeks of Ryan Leaf type personality. If I made a board, I wouldn't have him on it at all.

I'm scared of Geno, but not anywhere near enough to take him off the board. He's still a top 15 player to me.
Care to explain the comparsion?

Glennon is reportedly a hard worker, intelligent and a team leader. I can understand being critical of his lack of mobility, lower release point and accuracy issues. Can't see much beyond that though.

I think he falls somewhere between Flaco and Matt Ryan. He's going to have be surround with some talent (which he isn't at NC State) by I think he'll be a ten-twelve year starter in the league.
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If Pioli gets another chance in KC, it could be w/the coach he wanted all along - Kirk Ferentz. Again, nothing completely certain there yet.
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I honestly think it's just a matter of time before Pioli is fired. Clark Hunt did a few interviews today and it sounds really bad for Pioli. Which is fine with me.
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Peter King has already shot it down and Pioli will not be involved in hiring the next coach.
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