2012 Chicago Bears General Discussion - Page 5

MidwayMonster31 · 01-01-2013, 08:29 PM

He's not just interviewing his friends. Mike McCoy and Mike Sullivan are not familiar with him. That said, I would actually be ok with DeCamilles. He has the experience, he has good accomplishments of getting a lot out of his players and he has shown very good leadership everywhere he was. The schemes he would run would be a question mark, however.

regoob2 · 01-01-2013, 09:37 PM

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Ugh...seriously? Because 99% of head coaches are already white. I can tell this conversation will go nowhere, so I'll nip it in the bud right now.

There should still be a rule for it. There shouldn't be a rule to help one race over another.

bearsfan_51 · 01-01-2013, 09:48 PM

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There should still be a rule for it. There shouldn't be a rule to help one race over another.

The rule that helps white people is living in the United States of America. Seriously, you think it's just a massive coincidence that almost every single coach in the history of the NFL was white before this rule? That's not racial preference?

regoob2 · 01-01-2013, 10:11 PM

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The rule that helps white people is living in the United States of America. Seriously, you think it's just a massive coincidence that almost every single coach in the history of the NFL was white before this rule? That's not racial preference?

There are black coaches in the NFL. This is a new era of the NFL. I don't think there's a single team that would pass on a black coach if they felt he was the best man for the job.

bearsfan_51 · 01-01-2013, 10:21 PM

So it's just a coincidence that black coaches started to be hired after the rule was put in place?

regoob2 · 01-01-2013, 10:24 PM

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So it's just a coincidence that black coaches started to be hired after the rule was put in place?

I'm pretty sure there were black head coaches before the rule was there.

bearsfan_51 · 01-01-2013, 11:42 PM

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I'm pretty sure there were black head coaches before the rule was there.

At the time the rule was put in place in 2003 there were two black head coaches, Tony Dungy and Herm Edwards. In the 83 years of NFL football, there were 7 minorities head coaches in total. In the 9 years since, there have been 9 new minority NFL head coaches hired.

Maybe you could look this stuff up too, ya know.

Monomach · 01-02-2013, 12:18 AM

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Bears get permission to interview Joe DeCamillis, 'Boys ST coordinator. Emery did talk about getting someone who exerted energy.

EDIT: Turns out they both worked together in ATL for 3 years. This imbecile better not be interviewing just his friends.

Every Cowboys fan I've asked about him offered to pitch in for his contract if it got him out of Dallas.

So...ugh.

Docta · 01-02-2013, 03:14 AM

Bears are also asking to interview Packers OC Tom Clements. He was their QB coach before that for 6 years, so I'm sure Rodgers will miss him.

bearfan · 01-02-2013, 12:10 PM

A little late, but I am happy Lovie is gone. He got his team to play for him, but we were going to be going no where with him and it was time for change. Was very surprised at the backlash from the players on the team to his firing.

Curious to see who we will hire. I am glad we're looking at offensive minded coaches, and I wonder if we'll look too at someone like Kyle Shanahan.

edit: any assistants you guys would like to keep? QB Coach Jeremy Bates and ST Dave Toub for me.

Monomach · 01-02-2013, 02:28 PM

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edit: any assistants you guys would like to keep? QB Coach Jeremy Bates and ST Dave Toub for me.

I'd like to keep:

Marinelli
Bates
Toub
Byrd
Hoke
O'Dea
Phair

Of course, that's a pipe dream. A new coach is going to want his own guys.

BeerBaron · 01-02-2013, 02:39 PM

I'd very much like to keep Toub, but I'm not getting my hopes up on anyone else. Hiring an offensive minded coach would be good for the defensive staff staying in place, but I'm not counting on it.

bearsfan_51 · 01-02-2013, 04:08 PM

I don't understand how we're interviewing two special teams guys, but Toub doesn't seem to be getting serious consideration.

Monomach · 01-02-2013, 07:57 PM

Speaking of the special teams guys that we're interviewing...

https://twitter.com/ESPNChiBears/sta...93934966190080

edit: Today, Emery got in an interview with someone who hasn't been mentioned yet: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...for-bears-job/ Now if this one gets hired, we might as well trade off Forte for whatever we can get, because we're going to be doing very much running.

bearfan · 01-03-2013, 09:14 AM

As much as we love Dave toub, I can see why he may not get an interview. We are looking for wholesale changes and hiring a long term coach under Lovie would be the opposite of looking like the Bears are moving on.

BeerBaron · 01-03-2013, 01:19 PM

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-bruce-arians/

Add Bruce Arians to our list. I honestly wouldn't mind it that much as he did very well as an interim this year and his offenses really weren't that bad in Pittsburgh. They just weren't "Steelers football" enough to get the boneheads around here to change their ways. And the o-line woes there seemed to be due more to constant injury than not being addressed.

Monomach · 01-03-2013, 02:13 PM

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-bruce-arians/

Add Bruce Arians to our list. I honestly wouldn't mind it that much as he did very well as an interim this year and his offenses really weren't that bad in Pittsburgh. They just weren't "Steelers football" enough to get the boneheads around here to change their ways. And the o-line woes there seemed to be due more to constant injury than not being addressed.

I'd say his offenses were really inconsistent. As far as scoring goes, the Stillers were 9th, 20th, 12th, 12th (with Ben missing 4 games for rape), and 21st. So, yes, "not that bad" would be about right. He had more weapons than we do, though. Well, unless Jeffery breaks out and plays every game like Week 17. If he does that, we're going to have the second-best WR tandem in the league and it won't much matter who our HC/OC is. I like that Arians knows how to use his TE, RB, and slot receiver to work the middle of the field. I can't find it anymore (curses!), but I had an article that showed a breakdown of Cutler's stats in his time in Chicago. His highest completion %, TD/INT ratio, and QB rating were all on passes 10-15 yards down the field between the hash marks or something like that. He had a higher completion % for that than he did for <5 yard dump-offs, even. Tice had some stretches in which he forgot that part of the field existed. If only we still had Greg Olsen!

But, yeah. I never did understand why Steelers fans would call him the worst OC in the league. He's obviously not that, and they were clearly winning with him. Can't fault him for QB development, either. He was Peyton's QB coach for his first three years. When he arrived in PIT, Big Ben took a step forward. Andrew Luck was good for a rookie with half of the offense being new to the team. Don't know whether he's responsible for all of that QB success, but he obviously isn't holding them back or anything.

Really, he's not one of my favorite choices, but I definitely wouldn't ***** if he got it (not that anyone cares). I'd be ok with him. My biggest concern is his age. Most of the guys we're looking at are 10-15 years younger and have a lot more energy for those 16 hour days of watching film, game planning, and assisting with skill player development (translation: working individually with Cutler).

I think Cutler's mobility, ability to throw on the run, and accuracy are all pretty close to Roethlisberger's and his arm is a fair amount stronger, so fitting him into that offense wouldn't be a problem.

Arians seems like someone who'd work out well if he kept Marinelli and didn't stick his nose into/bother the defense too much. If he could just keep us in the top 12 or so of the league in offense and we stayed top 10 in defense, we'd probably make the playoffs often.

MidwayMonster31 · 01-03-2013, 03:29 PM

Arians did a wonderful job in Indy getting the team to rally around Pagano and leading them to wins.. I would rather get a running scheme, as 40 pass attempts is the magic number for a loss. Arians did not have good running backs in Pittsburgh or Indy, so that could change.

BeerBaron · 01-03-2013, 03:34 PM

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Arians did a wonderful job in Indy getting the team to rally around Pagano and leading them to wins.. I would rather get a running scheme, as 40 pass attempts is the magic number for a loss. Arians did not have good running backs in Pittsburgh or Indy, so that could change.

When Mendenhall was around and healthy for Arians, he put up a pair of 1000 yard seasons. That just wasn't too often though...

Out of all the names mentioned so far, Arians is probably the one I'd be "most ok" with. Wouldn't blow me away, but I wouldn't totally hate it either.

Monomach · 01-03-2013, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by MidwayMonster31

Arians did a wonderful job in Indy getting the team to rally around Pagano and leading them to wins.. I would rather get a running scheme, as 40 pass attempts is the magic number for a loss. Arians did not have good running backs in Pittsburgh or Indy, so that could change.

He had decent backs in Pitt. Fast Willie Parker and Rashard Mendenhall were each good for a bit. The change of pace guys were always effective. As long as a back gets 4.0 YPC or more, he's not a problem.

I don't think anyone really wants a running scheme. We're not built to win with a running scheme. Take a look at the teams that won at least 10 games this year:

Falcons: 62% pass, 38% run
Colts: 59% pass, 41% run
Packers: 56% pass, 44% run
Ravens: 56% pass, 44% run
Bengals: 56% pass, 44% run
Broncos: 55% pass, 45% run
Patriots: 55% pass, 45% run
Texans: 52% pass, 48% run
Bears: 51% pass, 49% run
Vikings: 50% pass, 50% run
49ers: 47% pass, 53% run
Redskins: 46% pass, 54% run
Seahawks: 43% pass, 57% run

The two heaviest running teams, the Skins and Seachickens, can be immediately disregarded as special cases. They have scrambling QBs.

The Niners and Texans got where they are because they have shutdown defenses. The Vikings went 50/50 because they have no one at QB and one of the greatest running backs of all time...a RB much, much, much beyond the level of anyone we have.

The Bears have a turnover-based defense. By it's nature, it's too streaky to just play defense and run a lot to keep the clock moving. If you don't get a turnover, your defense is going to leak yards all the way down the field until the other team scores on your tired players. You need to get big passing plays to be competitive.

Perfect example: the Seattle game. Seattle went 54%/46% and we went 44%/56%. Cutler was very efficient, but we tried to be cute and play that "smashmouth" get-off-the-bus-running crap. We took him out of the game by running too much and got spanked when the Seahawks made an in-game adjustment from run-heavy to pass-heavy.

Judging from how things are going in the league, I think it's pretty clear that we need to get up more around that 55/45 split like the Broncos or Patriots. So, yes, while 59 or 60% like Koetter or Arians is maybe a little too crazy for me, it looks like they're still on the right track as compared to us. Really, though, McCoy is looking just about right...

bearsfan_51 · 01-05-2013, 03:35 PM

http://espn.go.com/chicago/nfl/story...an-sources-say

Ugh.......

Trestman is a Gopher alum who openly put his name out for the Gopher job a few years ago. Most of us thought it was a joke.

I'm not a big Emery fan so far. The CFL?

Gay Ork Wang · 01-05-2013, 05:15 PM

i mean he has a connection with Jay i guess.

Monomach · 01-05-2013, 11:28 PM

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i mean he has a connection with Jay i guess.

He just does s short little thing with some QBs who are coming out. It's not really a connection. On his own website, these are all of the draft QBs he lists:

Brandon Weeden
Brock Osweiler
Tim Tebow
Jimmy Clausen
Jay Cutler
Jason Campbell

Those are his successes.

Dear Mr. Emery,

Monomach · 01-06-2013, 12:28 AM

Took a while to find this, but I had to. I'd remembered him fellating Touchdown Jesus when he came out:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/s...igtime-pro/rss

bearsfan_51 · 01-06-2013, 11:57 AM

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...,4441188.story

I could get behind this. At least he would be qualified to fix the offensive line.