MVP as we head out of November

[prock]

Originally Posted by Denver Bronco56

There is a difference in squeaking in just making the cut, and having the best record in your own division or conference

and Being the record holder or not is a big difference.. no one is going to chase Adrian peterson's record next year.. it will still be Dickerson's

No one is trying to break Manning's 49 td mark, they are gunning for Brady's

2nd place is not nearly as good as being 1st

Who cares about the record? What does being eight yards short of some total a guy had 28 years ago matter to how he played this year? Your logic contradicts itself in this thread. "Who cares about past years?" Followed by "but Dickerson had more yards!!!" Then "but look at Peytons stats this year compared to others!!!" Followed by "its not about the stats! !!"

[yo123]

Originally Posted by Denver Bronco56

There is a difference in squeaking in just making the cut, and having the best record in your own division or conference

and Being the record holder or not is a big difference.. no one is going to chase Adrian peterson's record next year.. it will still be Dickerson's

No one is trying to break Manning's 49 td mark, they are gunning for Brady's

2nd place is not nearly as good as being 1st

For the love of god the Vikings were 3-13 last year. The fact that Peterson got them to the playoffs at all is INCREDIBLE. If you're going to try to argue that Peterson and Manning have comparable talent around them I don't know what to tell you.

I really can't believe you're still arguing Dickerson's year was better with a much lower YPC and 14 fumbles. You haven't even countered that other than repeating that he had 8 more yards, which means literally nothing when Peterson would have destroyed the record with the same amount of carries.

[njx9]

not to mention that peterson did it in a league/an era that heavily favors passing over running.

i don't buy that the lack of record hurts AD, though i could buy the argument that getting the record would've given him bonus points (solely taking into account the actual voters).

[J-Mike88]

Originally Posted by Denver Bronco56

2nd place is not nearly as good as being 1st

That's right, and that's why you'll be crying (apparently) when they announce Peterson as the winner, and Manning a distant 2nd place.

[AHungryWalrus]

Originally Posted by Denver Bronco56

There is a difference in squeaking in just making the cut, and having the best record in your own division or conference

and Being the record holder or not is a big difference.. no one is going to chase Adrian peterson's record next year.. it will still be Dickerson's

No one is trying to break Manning's 49 td mark, they are gunning for Brady's

2nd place is not nearly as good as being 1st

You keep bringing up this "2nd means nothing" argument.

Was Manning even 2nd in anything in terms of all time season statistics? So if 2nd means nothing, doesn't lower down mean even less?

If wins are all it takes, why the hell aren't you advocating Matty Ice?

Oh, right. Your name is Denver Bronco, not Atlanta Falcon. Whoops.

[Timbathia]

I dont understand why fans of a team want their player to win an individual award. Who gives a ****. I want the Broncos to win a superbowl, not Manning to win a series of awards. I wouldnt be remotely happier if he is the MVP.

That being said, surely some voters will get caught up in the neck surgery/taking a brand new team to the AFC top seed story. Same goes for Peterson, great story to go with the numbers. It will be a close finish between the two IMO.

[AntoinCD]

Originally Posted by MaxV

As I've said, I'm rooting for Peyton, and I still wouldn't be surprised if it is him, but it should be Peterson.

Broncos might have still won that division with Tebow. It was THAT awful.

Vikings finish below Lions with an average starting back.

Week 1 they beat Jacksonville in OT with 84 yards from Peterson in the run game. Average performance.

Week 2 they lose to Indianapolis with 60 rushing yards for Peterson. Very average performance.

Week 3 they beat SF with 86 rushing yards. Nice against a good defense but hardly world beating.

Week 4 they beat Detroit with Peterson breaking 100 for the first time.

Week 5 they beat Tennessee with Peterson back in the 80s yardage wise.

That was 4 wins in the first 5 games with good to average production from Peterson. The Lions finished with 4 wins on the season.

[Ness]

Originally Posted by Timbathia

I dont understand why fans of a team want their player to win an individual award. Who gives a ****. I want the Broncos to win a superbowl, not Manning to win a series of awards. I wouldnt be remotely happier if he is the MVP.

That being said, surely some voters will get caught up in the neck surgery/taking a brand new team to the AFC top seed story. Same goes for Peterson, great story to go with the numbers. It will be a close finish between the two IMO.

I think it's just icing on the cake for some fans. We're in a fantasy football era now where individual statistics and awards hold higher value and relevance to overall success in a team-oriented sport. It is what it is.

[hockey619]

Originally Posted by AntoinCD

Week 1 they beat Jacksonville in OT with 84 yards from Peterson in the run game. Average performance.

Week 2 they lose to Indianapolis with 60 rushing yards for Peterson. Very average performance.

Week 3 they beat SF with 86 rushing yards. Nice against a good defense but hardly world beating.

Week 4 they beat Detroit with Peterson breaking 100 for the first time.

Week 5 they beat Tennessee with Peterson back in the 80s yardage wise.

That was 4 wins in the first 5 games with good to average production from Peterson. The Lions finished with 4 wins on the season. Im sure not having AP wouldve meant a loss in the second matchup giving detroit five wins. just making an observation in your hypothetical, not a big deal but still.

EXACTLY!!! those d's were like totally geared to stopping the incredible ponder to harvin connection and AP STILL couldnt do anything with all that running room they were giving him...

oh

wait

of course thats not how it happened. every team who plays the vikings gameplans and fears AP and has been doing so since favre left. No team is worried about Ponder. None. That team has a below average QB (with a noodle arm who they ask very little of due to his limited skills) and an average D.



Look at the QBs in the playoffs for gods sakes! The worst BY FAR is ponder. They have an average D, but one of the worst of the playoff bound teams. YET THEYRE STILL IN.




I get hes not a QB blah blah blah. But if QB is the most impactful position (true) and most important (true), then how is a team with a bad one and mediocre D still playing next week? because AP is a freak, thats how.

[J-Mike88]

Originally Posted by AntoinCD

Week 1 they beat Jacksonville in OT with 84 yards from Peterson in the run game. Average performance.

Week 2 they lose to Indianapolis with 60 rushing yards for Peterson. Very average performance.

Week 3 they beat SF with 86 rushing yards. Nice against a good defense but hardly world beating.

Week 4 they beat Detroit with Peterson breaking 100 for the first time.

Week 5 they beat Tennessee with Peterson back in the 80s yardage wise.

That was 4 wins in the first 5 games with good to average production from Peterson. The Lions finished with 4 wins on the season.

First of all, Titans, Jaguars, and Lions were 3 of the most pathetic teams this season.
Secondly, and here's a big thing, Peterson was just coming back from his torn ACL/MCL.
Remember, that injury happened at the end of last year, not midway or early.
Many felt Peterson would not, should not, be out there that soon...

He still commanded a presense and every opposing DC made stopping him their #1 priority. That's why Harvin was so effective early against one-on-ones.
It's also what makes it so amazing that after Peterson got his legs back, his feel, confidence, and after Harvin was done and defenses able to focus on him even more, he went all Dickerson on the league, coming down the stretch needing to win every game.

That's historic **** right there.

[P-L]

Originally Posted by AntoinCD

Week 1 they beat Jacksonville in OT with 84 yards from Peterson in the run game. Average performance.

Week 2 they lose to Indianapolis with 60 rushing yards for Peterson. Very average performance.

Week 3 they beat SF with 86 rushing yards. Nice against a good defense but hardly world beating.

Week 4 they beat Detroit with Peterson breaking 100 for the first time.

Week 5 they beat Tennessee with Peterson back in the 80s yardage wise.

That was 4 wins in the first 5 games with good to average production from Peterson. The Lions finished with 4 wins on the season.

You are so spoiled by how good of a season Adrian Peterson had. 80+ yards in a game is still a very good performance for a running back. Only five other running backs AVERAGED 80+ yards per game. Adrian Peterson averaged 80.5 yards per game in his six WORST games. Yeah, that's right. You could completely ignore Adrian Peterson's TEN BEST games, and he'd still be 6th in yards per game.

[BamaFalcon59]

Yeah, in other words, Peterson's six worst performances over the course of a season comes out to a nearly 1,300 yard season. That's wild.

[BloodBrother]

I still can't get over how in this day and age when the rules coddle the collective nutsack of the passing game in the NFL, AP is averaging more yards per rush than his own QB did per pass....and they made the playoffs with that formula

[Brodeur]

Stop ******* saying AP, his ******* nickname is AD. Jesus Christ.

[BloodBrother]

Where does it stop then, because I'm sure as **** not calling MAtt Ryan "Matty Ice". Terrible nickname

[Brodeur]

Everyone with a soul will type out AD instead of AP.

[BloodBrother]

I do it out of spite because I'm Tom Petty like that

[FUNBUNCHER]

I'm slowly being convinced that AD should be MVP.

It's still hard for me to see Peterson being MVP because he's not an MVP RB in the same manner that Marshall Faulk or Ladainian Tomlinson were; guys who did it running and receiving.

But I guess if you take one player off a team and you know their offense would totally implode, that guy is a valuable player.

[yo123]

Originally Posted by Timbathia

I dont understand why fans of a team want their player to win an individual award. Who gives a ****. I want the Broncos to win a superbowl, not Manning to win a series of awards. I wouldnt be remotely happier if he is the MVP.

That being said, surely some voters will get caught up in the neck surgery/taking a brand new team to the AFC top seed story. Same goes for Peterson, great story to go with the numbers. It will be a close finish between the two IMO.

Because Adrian Peterson is a really good person and I like rooting for him. If I was a Steeler fan and Ben Roethlisberger was in the running I wouldn't give a ****.

[BigBanger]

Originally Posted by yo123

Because Adrian Peterson is a really good person and I like rooting for him. If I was a Steeler fan and Ben Roethlisberger was in the running I wouldn't give a ****.

I don't think Ben Roethlisberger has ever been to a Pro Bowl (as pathetic as that sounds). It might have something to do with him banging ***** in restrooms who then cry rape, but there is not a chance in hell he ever wins the MVP award or is in legitimate contention of it. No one likes him. Steelers fans don't even care enough about him to defend him. Until then **** QBs like Vince Young will get in over him. Or Matt Schaub.

The correct answer is Adrian Peterson. JJ Watt would be my second option. But Peterson just had the best season of anyone in the NFL. If he doesn't win it this year, then we might as well not even consider any other offensive position player for this award.

[MetSox17]

Originally Posted by Brodeur

Stop ******* saying AP, his ******* nickname is AD. Jesus Christ.

What kind of moron uses initials for a nickname?

[TACKLE]

All Day you dummies. Pretty much everyone called him AD not AP when he was at Oklahoma. It's just when he got to the pros, dumb people who don't really follow college football didn't get the nickname so they just assumed it was AP and started calling him that instead.

[Razor]

Originally Posted by AntoinCD

Week 1 they beat Jacksonville in OT with 84 yards from Peterson in the run game. Average performance.

Week 2 they lose to Indianapolis with 60 rushing yards for Peterson. Very average performance.

Week 3 they beat SF with 86 rushing yards. Nice against a good defense but hardly world beating.

Week 4 they beat Detroit with Peterson breaking 100 for the first time.

Week 5 they beat Tennessee with Peterson back in the 80s yardage wise.

That was 4 wins in the first 5 games with good to average production from Peterson. The Lions finished with 4 wins on the season.

You're my buddy in here and all, and usually I have your back. But you're way off base here. What Peterson accomplished this season is historic. He came back from a terrible knee injury after only nine months and was average for the first 5 games. After that he arguably had the best season ever for a RB. Like someone else pointed out it's not fair to only highlight those five games when he just returned from a ACL and then completely ignore the following 11 games. IMO AD is the clear cut MVP, and if Manning wins it that just goes to show that the ones voting for this all got rusty trombones from Manning.

[AntoinCD]

Originally Posted by Razor

You're my buddy in here and all, and usually I have your back. But you're way off base here. What Peterson accomplished this season is historic. He came back from a terrible knee injury after only nine months and was average for the first 5 games. After that he arguably had the best season ever for a RB. Like someone else pointed out it's not fair to only highlight those five games when he just returned from a ACL and then completely ignore the following 11 games. IMO AD is the clear cut MVP, and if Manning wins it that just goes to show that the ones voting for this all got rusty trombones from Manning.

I have no issue with Peterson being MVP now that the Vikes are in the playoffs. My response which you quoted was a direct response to a post saying without Peterson the Vikings would finish below the Lions which I don't believe to be true. I simply highlighted those games because the Vikings won while Peterson was getting back to full steam.

Let me clarify, what Peterson did this year was off the charts ridiculous. He missed out on a long standing record by 8 yards despite not having a terrific start to the year. When Harvin went down it was literally all on Peterson to drag the Vikings to the playoffs. However it doesn't change the fact that the Vikings were winning games before Peterson went on his ridiculous run of ten games.

The Lions won 4 games all year. The Vikings won 4 out of their first 5. That's simply the point I was making. Not detracting from Peterson, just trying to make a case that the Vikings wouldn't be a bottom dwelling team without him as a lot of people are stating they would be

[Halsey]

I don't see what injury history has to do with being MVP. The MVP should go to the MVP. Past injuries are irrelevant to the discussion.