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Old 01-02-2013, 01:43 PM    (permalink
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Eh, the Pats have had a pretty decent rivalry the last few years with the Ravens and I have seen a defense go from having Lewis be the heart and soul and the best player to him becoming the emotional leader but maybe the 4th or 5th guy who is schemed against. Suggs, Ngata and Reed all give opposing offenses more trouble than Lewis and recently Ladarius Webb had turned into a really good CB.

I don't see why we can't say that Lewis had become an above average player towards the end of his career.

I still think Ray Lewis outplays his position by league standards. So I agree he's at least above average. I just believe he's closer to the top ILB's in the league than he is to the middle. Or at least, he was over the last few years.

I mean part of the problem here is that we're using subjective measurements like "he's still good" or "he's above average" etc.

It's possible you and I see Ray Lewis in the same light, but we're just not conveying our message to each other correctly. Either way though, I think it's been pretty awesome watching Lewis play all this time, and it's a little bittersweet for me as a Bengals fan :)
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I still think Ray Lewis outplays his position by league standards. So I agree he's at least above average. I just believe he's closer to the top ILB's in the league than he is to the middle. Or at least, he was over the last few years.

I mean part of the problem here is that we're using subjective measurements like "he's still good" or "he's above average" etc.

It's possible you and I see Ray Lewis in the same light, but we're just not conveying our message to each other correctly. Either way though, I think it's been pretty awesome watching Lewis play all this time, and it's a little bittersweet for me as a Bengals fan :)
Yeah for sure. Watching Lewis play way back was unreal. People look at Willis and Bowman as the standard setters now for LBs but Ray could eat and **** them all day.

I don't think we are going to see a LB close to Ray for a very long time, if ever, and one reason is the game has changed to almost make the LB position a position of the past. Teams are almost now saying we will give you yards in the run game to stop the pass. That's why we see so many teams using multiple safeties these days and substituting LBs
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This play by Ray is still the play I think of when his name is called.
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This play by Ray is still the play I think of when his name is called.
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As a fan of a division rival, Iím not sad to see him hang up the pads. Lining across from No. 52 has been a chronic nightmare for over a decade.

That aside, heís a legitimate conversation starter in the discussion of the greatest middle linebackers of all-time. He was a dominant three-down linebacker and fearsome in all facets. His on-field impact is undeniable. But Iíll remember him even more for being the greatest leader Iíve ever seen from the sidelines. Forget quarterbacks. Lewis was the true embodiment of a field general. Iíve never seen someone elevate the level of their teammates on both sides of the ball on such a consistent basis. He was a constant source of inspiration to that franchise. His ďPissed Off For GreatnessĒ speech gives me goosebumps whenever I hear it.

As frustrating as heís been, Iím still glad to have witnessed the career of a legend.
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Im probably one of the few here old enough to remember watching Lawrence Taylor play. So Im fortunate to see probably to 2 best LBs to play the game in there prime.
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Has he said anything about getting involved in coaching of some sort? Not even at the NFL level, but I could easily see him get into high school coaching if he wanted, I've just long been curious of what he'd start to do after football.
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Im probably one of the few here old enough to remember watching Lawrence Taylor play. So Im fortunate to see probably to 2 best LBs to play the game in there prime.
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Just a sad day in football that I had hoped would never come. Hopefully the Ravens can let him go out on top
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Is there anyone who really thinks he isn't the greatest MLB of all time?
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Is there anyone who really thinks he isn't the greatest MLB of all time?
Butkis, Lambert, Singletary,and Lewis all could have arguments made for them. The point Lewis has that the rest don't is that he is the face of the franchise, more so than the others were.
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Fantastic player but I've always disliked him. I personally can't overlook his involvement in a murder, but I give credit to Lewis for making sure a lot of people have forgotten that (largely by him staying out of trouble the rest of his career).
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Same here.
Just a question - if Ray is a first ballot HOF (he deserves to be), shouldn't London Fletcher get some HOF consideration? His career stats and longevity are very similar to Ray's.
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Same here.
Just a question - if Ray is a first ballot HOF (he deserves to be), shouldn't London Fletcher get some HOF consideration? His career stats and longevity are very similar to Ray's.
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Fantastic player but I've always disliked him. I personally can't overlook his involvement in a murder, but I give credit to Lewis for making sure a lot of people have forgotten that (largely by him staying out of trouble the rest of his career).
Pretty much this. He's an amazing football player and demands the respect of his peers for his on the field efforts. That being said I can't celebrate him for the exact reason you stated.
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Same here.
Just a question - if Ray is a first ballot HOF (he deserves to be), shouldn't London Fletcher get some HOF consideration? His career stats and longevity are very similar to Ray's.
I don't think Fletcher ever had that All Pro season though. He's been good for a long time, but how many years was he great?
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I don't think Fletcher ever had that All Pro season though. He's been good for a long time, but how many years was he great?
I believe he made the pro bowl a season or two ago. You have a fair point in that he has never been perceived as great.
However, we all know that pro bowls are mainly popularity contests. Also, Ray is much more vocal and more of a self-promoter for lack of a better term. London goes about his business in a much more quiet fashion.
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Half of me expects the franchise to just be gone with Ray Lewis gone. I can't think of another player that represents an entire franchise like Ray does. A sad day for football.
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I believe he made the pro bowl a season or two ago. You have a fair point in that he has never been perceived as great.
However, we all know that pro bowls are mainly popularity contests. Also, Ray is much more vocal and more of a self-promoter for lack of a better term. London goes about his business in a much more quiet fashion.
Ray Lewis has been THE leader and many years the top performer for a defensive unit that has almost two decades of elite play.
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Same here.
Just a question - if Ray is a first ballot HOF (he deserves to be), shouldn't London Fletcher get some HOF consideration? His career stats and longevity are very similar to Ray's.
There's a stark difference between Greatness and Reliability.

That is the comparison between Ray Lewis and London Fletcher.

Ray defined the standard to which the position will forever more be defined, following in the footsteps of previous great MLB's mentioned previously. London Fletcher was very good at his job for many, many years.
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Meanwhile, in hockey the other night, the Washington Capitals' Eric Belanger gets hit with a stick, loses EIGHT teeth, has an instant root canal in the locker room, comes back out and PLAYS and never says boo.

So new rule, NBA: Unless you have a root canal at halftime, SHUT UP AND PLAY!
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I believe he made the pro bowl a season or two ago. You have a fair point in that he has never been perceived as great.
However, we all know that pro bowls are mainly popularity contests. Also, Ray is much more vocal and more of a self-promoter for lack of a better term. London goes about his business in a much more quiet fashion.
Right, but I'm talking about All Pro, not the Pro Bowl. And yes, Ray Lewis is much more vocal.
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