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Old 01-04-2013, 08:33 PM    (permalink
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I love you scotty, but in the last forum mock you took Ryan Wagner with the 18th pick. The mock going on now is in the middle of Round 3 and nobody has taken him yet. :D

Giants fans, don't let him take over! haha.
It was Ricky Wagner and it was months ago when he was considered one of the top 3 OTs in the draft. Obviously things have changed since then.
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Better than the ****** UConn player you would have took I'm sure.
I don't overrated UConn players. I perfectly accept that UConn is crap.
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I don't overrated UConn players. I perfectly accept that UConn is crap.
The team as a whole has major problems at times but you can't deny that the players we have are NFL ready. Scotty and I have never pimped anyone up who totally busted in the NFL.
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I think they should have a rule if you win a SB you get an automatic bid to defend. LOL. It's shocking to not be playing. I don't know what to do. What a stupid team and can't get their head of their butts!

Now I have to wait until the draft and FA.
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I actually think Fewell will somewhat reinvent his philosophy in the offseason.

I think Perry Fewell will make adjusments to his schemes including some more aggressive elements to the repetoire. He has relied on the line to get to the quarterback, but I think he will include more blitzing. We saw a little of that late in the season, but comprehensive blitz packages will take an offseason to install.

We will still have the same core, but will also have more aggressive options in his bag of tricks.
I think this is wishful thinking on your part. Our defense actually was worse when we blitzed this past year than when we rushed 4. Statistically, we're a worse blitzing defense than a 4 man rush defense.

Fewell will use that ammo to stick to his gameplan.

The problem is, instead of looking at himself and realizing that he draws up terrible blitzes with no disguise or originality, he'll simply blame it on the players and stick to what he loves to do, which is rush 4 and play Cover 2 on the backend.

Now to be fair to Fewell, our secondary and LB core was awful this year. Much of this problem was talent. Our CBs outside of Prince played terribly all season long, and our LBs can't cover outside of Boley and Williams, but even Boley lost a step.

So Fewell was in a bind all season long. As much as I hate Fewell, I blame the players more than Fewell for our defensive output this season. We simply didn't have much talent on defense. Big names, but no substance behind those names.

We need to replenish this defense this offseason with a lot of talent. We need another CB, hope and pray Hoseley can handle the slot in his sophomore season, we need to sign back Kenny to shore up our safeties and deep ball defense, we need 2 more linebackers, and we need a DE and DT to shore up the front.

We're a soft defense in the middle of the field. Soft at DT, and soft at LB, and without Kenny, soft at S. The middle of the field is our weakness, and has been for YEARS. This is a problem that must be resolved if you want to be an elite defense.
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I really want the Giants to make the SB next year, when it's played at the Metlife Stadium. It would be awesome to have "home-field advantage" in the SB!

So we better fix this team up to be a true contender this offseason.
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The team as a whole has major problems at times but you can't deny that the players we have are NFL ready. Scotty and I have never pimped anyone up who totally busted in the NFL.
Totally busted isn't a fair measurement. Although I'd say Kenny Britt is a pretty huge bust. Despite the initial hype, McCourty is been pretty disappointing for New England, so much that they had to move him to safety. Brian Leonard isn't that good. Anthony Davis hasn't lived up to where he was picked either. Arguably one of the weaker links on the 49ers line.
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Btw, am I the only one who forgot that Marvin Austin is even on the team? He was healthy this season yet even with our severe lack of depth and injuries at DT he didn't sniff the field.

I hated that draft pick when it was made, and he's turning into the bust I thought he'd be.
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No, I always do. LOL. Even JJ at WR, until he played special teams I forgot about him too.
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Yeah, I thought the Austin pick was solid because of his upside but clearly he sucks. I can't really say we missed on Geno Atkins because EVERY team missed on him for three rounds, but I was a big Atkins fan too.

Oh well, sometimes you swing for a home run and miss. I felt is was a luxury pick that Reese doesn't normally make.
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Btw, am I the only one who forgot that Marvin Austin is even on the team? He was healthy this season yet even with our severe lack of depth and injuries at DT he didn't sniff the field.

I hated that draft pick when it was made, and he's turning into the bust I thought he'd be.
I remember you pimping Geno Atkins that year, telling everyone in our thread at least that he was going to become a beast. You called that one! Imagine if we had a D-line of JPP/Osi-Linval-Geno-Tuck/JPP my god we would be beastly if the old guys decided to show up!!
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Jerry Reese has mentioned the possibility of moving Terrell Thomas to safety if he successfully comes back.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/gia...-thomas-switch
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Totally busted isn't a fair measurement. Although I'd say Kenny Britt is a pretty huge bust. Despite the initial hype, McCourty is been pretty disappointing for New England, so much that they had to move him to safety. Brian Leonard isn't that good. Anthony Davis hasn't lived up to where he was picked either. Arguably one of the weaker links on the 49ers line.
Huh? Davis was amazing this year. Should have been a Pro Bowler. Britt has the talent but yes injuries and his stupidity has derailed him so I can give you that but I think he does well next year. I never pimped Leonard because I didn't think a team would use him right which is what happened in STL. McCourty was a PB rookie and had a soph slump. This year at S he was very good and his brother is as well. You're such a hater. :)
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yeah forenci, you didn't exactly have the best of arguments on that one haha.

I pimped Leonard. I'll admit it. He was my big miss, but it's not like he's out of football. He was also like our savior of the program and has a soft spot in the hearts of all rutgers fans so that's a bit of a pass.

Zak and I have been right WAY more than we've been wrong about our RU guys. You think people would realize that by now.

PS. I also pimped Justin Francis as a rotational 3-4 guy. and oh. He's exactly that in New England. Boomtown. One of my better hits I do say so myself
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Huh? Davis was amazing this year. Should have been a Pro Bowler. Britt has the talent but yes injuries and his stupidity has derailed him so I can give you that but I think he does well next year. I never pimped Leonard because I didn't think a team would use him right which is what happened in STL. McCourty was a PB rookie and had a soph slump. This year at S he was very good and his brother is as well. You're such a hater. :)
Davis gave up 10 sacks this year. For comparison, Will Beatty gave up 3 sacks.

And if you're talented a team will use you. Leonard just sucks. McCourty wasn't that special at safety, especially because he was a part of one of the leagues worst passing defenses.

I'm not that big of a hater really. I joke around about the whole UConn/Rutgers rivalry but honestly I'm not really a big college football fan so it doesn't mean too much to me.
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Well Will Beatty has turned into a damn sexy pass blocker now that he's finally put together a healthy season.
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I wouldn't call Beatty a beast...he just doesn't suck anymore. He still leaves a lot to be desired as a road grader and he's good but not spectacular as a pass protector.

Eli makes our OL look 10 billion times better than it is bc Eli is Eli. Sack numbers are misleading, Eli was one of the least sacked qbs this season bc of how quickly he can read a defense, his pocket presence, and how he gets the ball out.

I want a LG that's a road grader next to Beatty, I think that's actually a bigger priority than RT. I think we if we can find another Sean Locklear type at RT we could be ok there, but we need a LG.

Boothe is serviceable, but we need a LG who can pave holes for the run game. right now we struggle running to our left, and that's a problem.
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I remember you pimping Geno Atkins that year, telling everyone in our thread at least that he was going to become a beast. You called that one! Imagine if we had a D-line of JPP/Osi-Linval-Geno-Tuck/JPP my god we would be beastly if the old guys decided to show up!!
Geno :( The one that got away.


To be fair I've had plenty of misses myself so I can't complain with the job that Reese has done.

But dammit Reese get us some linebackers. Our scouting department does a terrible job of scouting linebackers.
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I mean, I don't think we've done THAT poorly considering we haven't taken a linebacker above the fourth round in his tenure.
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And that's the problem. I'm not asking necessarily for a 1st round guy, but dammit Reese, at least hook me up with a guy in the 2nd or 3rd!

Look at all the great LBs that came out in this last draft in the 2nd round. We got none of them.

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Just wait till we take Khaseem Greene round 2 this year :)
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Just wait till we take Khaseem Greene round 2 this year :)
I know I said it before and you guys called me a homer but I'm really doubting he'll be there by our 2nd pick in all seriousness. Him and Arthur Brown's stock are just on the rise right now and I don't see the offseason and workouts dropping them
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While it'd be nice to get a LB, I still want a new exciting DE, DT, CB and OG more.
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I am looking at the quality of talent in the offensive line and defensive front seven.

I think there is a shot that Teo is available when we pick in the first and a decent chance the top DEs and OT are gone. I think that unless Teo has amazing workouts (which Kuechly did) he is going to slip as teams load up on premium positons.

Given the depth this year, we should be able to get DE and LB help anywhere in the top three rounds.
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I mean, I don't think we've done THAT poorly considering we haven't taken a linebacker above the fourth round in his tenure.
Assuming you exclude Clint Sintim (2nd/2009) and Gerris Wilkinson (3rd/2006).

I guess technically Wilkinson was drafted in the last year of Accorsi's tenure, but Reese was head of scouting and was being groomed to take over.

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