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Old 01-07-2013, 12:12 PM    (permalink
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Not disagreeing. Definitely nothing official out there just relaying what im seeing.
So was that one playoff game worth it? Goes from a sprained knee to a completely shattered one, and you didn't even win. Yep, totally worth it.
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I saw it on extremeskins so nothing official but I'm sure the big guys will be tweeting soon.
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Adrian Peterson came back from that. RGIII just might have to stop bouncing balls in front of his receivers and learn to throw from the pocket more quickly than anticipated.
AD is a once in a lifetime athlete. Also this is the 2nd tear in Bob's right knee so yeah he's going to have to become a pocket passer now.
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So was that one playoff game worth it? Goes from a sprained knee to a completely shattered one, and you didn't even win. Yep, totally worth it.
Worth what? You're a complete 100% liar if you honestly think given the information we have that RG3 should not have started last night. And obviously no outcome of the game would be worth losing your franchise qb to this kind of injury but this is the NFL. Injuries happen all the time. You can't play in a bubble. Whatever happens here I stand by the fact that you are wearing blinders if you put this on Shanahan and not on the medical staff.
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But yeah, let's go ahead and let the kid go out there, we have no responsibility whatsoever to this franchise or to his career. What a slugger, going out there limping around running read options.

I'm gonna love respecting RG3 as he sits on the sidelines for the next year and is never the same player again.
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The main argument to be made is you were up 14-0 when it was clear he was hurting. You are no longer handing a ball to Rex Grossman. Cousins has shown he can win games and play well. And you'd be spotting him 14 points.
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they *don't* have any responsibility to any part of his career. they have a responsibility to make money for the owner. no player's health trumps that, except insofar as it makes the owner more money. obviously griffin's injury has a higher chance of impacting that than no name player X, but let's not pretend like the organization owes any of its players anything.
I'm not pretending like the organization owes RG3 anything, but anyone would be ignorant to think that RG3 doesn't mean more money for the organization. Even if you put his best interest last on the list, it all rides on HIM, and on HIM being healthy. He makes them money, he makes them successful, he'll help keep the coach employed and the team profitable. He is laying golden eggs for the whole organization and they just took a giant **** on it, for what exactly?
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Shannys giving a PC at 3 pm. I imagine we should hear more at that point.
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Sounds like a torn ACL, PCL, and MCL for Griffin. Out for all of next year most likely.
Well here comes the worst case scenario. I said yesterday, I feel bad for a great athlete and player getting injured like this, but as a Cowboy fan if they wanted to keep trotting Griff out there on a bad leg then hey, fire away.
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Well here comes the worst case scenario. I said yesterday, I feel bad for a great athlete and player getting injured like this, but as a Cowboy fan if they wanted to keep trotting Griff out there on a bad leg then hey, fire away.
Yea Romo has never trotted back out and played through dangerous injuries...
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Yea Romo has never trotted back out and played through dangerous injuries...
You are so god damn dense. One of Griffin's best assets is his mobility and running ability. It's the biggest reason why that offense was churning at an incredible pace this season, hardly anyone could contain both the run and the pass. They've effectively destroyed that aspect of his game, because now he'll inevitably regress as an athlete, and the offense will be tailored to keeping him healthy.

No where even close to Romo playing with a busted finger or cracked ribs.
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I feel really bad for Griffin, honestly and truly. But at least this gives us a year in which we wont have to listen to Jsagan's ridiculous homer bs, unless he tries telling us we should put things into hypothetical contexts in which if Griffin plays he'd have the best season ever and Luck would have the worst season ever.
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You are so god damn dense. One of Griffin's best assets is his mobility and running ability. It's the biggest reason why that offense was churning at an incredible pace this season, hardly anyone could contain both the run and the pass. They've effectively destroyed that aspect of his game, because now he'll inevitably regress as an athlete, and the offense will be tailored to keeping him healthy.

No where even close to Romo playing with a busted finger or cracked ribs.
Understood. Im just trying to make a point that plenty of coaches regularly allow their qbs to play through injuries when the medical staff allows it and the player insists on it.

Bottom line, RG3 was diagnosed with a minor sprain of his LCL 3 weeks ago. He was since cleared to play by team doctors. Team doctors also publicly claimed that although he was not fully healed he was not at risk of reinjury. Either he was mis-diagnosed or the medical staff lied. Given Andrews recent "worried" comments, I imagine one of the two is probably true.

In hindsight, of course i wish Cousins had come in, but at the time, given the way the situation played out, I can't put the blame of this fully on Shanny or RG3. Everything to me screams medical staff **** up.

If the rumors are true then this injury was not furthered by the original. This injury was because his foot got stuck in ****** grass on a bad snap, and bent the wrong way. Very well may have had little to do with the original injury in which case the medical staff may have actually been right with their diagnosis. If it was caused from previous injury then again signs point to the med staff.
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Can I please see a quote where a Redskins doctor said that this injury could not get any worse by playing on it?
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Can I please see a quote where a Redskins doctor said that this injury could not get any worse by playing on it?
Anything can get worse but I agree that you can't forsee a complete knee explosion as a direct result from playing on a sprained LCL. If this is true, which I still doubt, I tend to think this is completely independent. Or more likely due to playing on a crap field regardless of the original injury or not.
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Can I please see a quote where a Redskins doctor said that this injury could not get any worse by playing on it?
Ill see if i can dig it up but I'm positive that was the claim going into this week. That's alot of why I feel the way I do.
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Kind of sad that you can spend all this money on all these guys but still have such a ****** field that may have led to two bad injuries. Only Dan Snyder.
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Kind of sad that you can spend all this money on all these guys but still have such a ****** field that may have led to two bad injuries. Only Dan Snyder.
Well the money isn't that much anymore since they've adjusted the rookie pay scale. However the future 1st round picks will hurt.
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Can I please see a quote where a Redskins doctor said that this injury could not get any worse by playing on it?
From Shannys PC prior to this weeks game:

'Shanahan says about RG3 "the doctors say he's 100%", but the LCL just takes time to fully heal.'

"They said we don't have to worry about him re-injuring that LCL. The brace helps him, at least mentally."
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Ok so basically Shanny might be lying again or then yes the medical staff didn't do it's job properly. The thing I'm arguing against is not the start though. He clearly re-injured himself and they left him in. That's the problem here.
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Him running a read option and limping the whole way as he ran OOB was one of the most pathetic things i've seen recently. Not from the actual play, but the fact that they had him out there doing that. What a shame.
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I feel really bad for Griffin, honestly and truly. But at least this gives us a year in which we wont have to listen to Jsagan's ridiculous homer bs, unless he tries telling us we should put things into hypothetical contexts in which if Griffin plays he'd have the best season ever and Luck would have the worst season ever.
And not sure what Fox is going to talk about now, they were borderline obnoxious with the RGIII stuff yesterday. Surpised they didn't follow him into the John to take a piss.
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Him running a read option and limping the whole way as he ran OOB was one of the most pathetic things i've seen recently. Not from the actual play, but the fact that they had him out there doing that. What a shame.
Exactly. It wasn't even dumb in hindsight, as you were watching the game it was like one big, long wtf moment. It's his ******* knee, he didn't have a sprained ankle where if a re-injury occurs you can deal with the ramifications. I also have a hard time buying Dr Andrews putting his name and career on the line and flat out lying about what happened prior for no reason at all. He is the go to Doctor in injuries like these, what does he gain from coming out with that report and lying?
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If this is true, is anyone else at all curious how that big ass brace isnt built to protect against non contact tears??
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Exactly. It wasn't even dumb in hindsight, as you were watching the game it was like one big, long wtf moment. It's his ******* knee, he didn't have a sprained ankle where if a re-injury occurs you can deal with the ramifications. I also have a hard time buying Dr Andrews putting his name and career on the line and flat out lying about what happened prior for no reason at all. He is the go to Doctor in injuries like these, what does he gain from coming out with that report and lying?
His report this past week ONLY referred to him giving the green light for RG3 to go back into the Ravens game. He absolutely cleared him for subsequent games that he started in. My gut says this weeks article was his conscience talking thinking he may have f'd this one up.
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