DC Posters will get a look at good scheme vs bad scheme Saturday night - Page 3

njx9 · 01-10-2013, 04:10 PM

well, i have a migraine now. thanks, jerks.

HypocrisyIsGreat · 01-10-2013, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mufasa

Considering he picked before the 49ers, giving him the opportunity to draft Crabtree, and passed him up, I doubt it. Quit pulling **** out of your ass.

And even it that was true, it in no way changes the fact that the other guys are better than Crabtree

Actually, he passed Crabtree up because at the time he already had capable wideouts and figured drafting Crabtree would create a "not enough balls to go around" problemo. He drafted for need, and it was a wise choice, because AR can make most scrub receivers play decently

nrk · 01-10-2013, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by HypocrisyIsGreat

Now compare the passing discrepancy and get back to me. Jeeeebus.

lolololololololol...

HypocrisyIsGreat · 01-10-2013, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jrdrylie

Irrelevant. You said San Francisco had a craptastic offense. I just thought you should know that San Francisco had a higher ranked offense against higher ranked defenses. So if they are craptastic, are the Packers shittastic?

I said they had a craptastic offense in the context of the passing attacks(hence why I talked about GB's weapons with SF's). Running the ball doesn't really mean much these days. It's a passing league, and McCarthy understands this whereas JH and Greg Roman do not.

Tune in Saturday and you'll see which offense shows up. GB is also facing a much better defense than SF is facing. Yet, GB will still throw the ball all over the field while SF will be fooling around with ridiculous pistol read options.

SuperPacker · 01-10-2013, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HypocrisyIsGreat

Actually, he passed Crabtree up because at the time he already had capable wideouts and figured drafting Crabtree would create a "not enough balls to go around" problemo. He drafted for need, and it was a wise choice, because AR can make most scrub receivers play decently

Like in 2011 when we passed on Randall Cobb because we already had Jennings, Nelson, Driver, Jones and Finley?

HypocrisyIsGreat · 01-10-2013, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

It's amazing how great the playcalling looks when you have a good quarterback.

One team has an elite quarterback the other team doesn't. Doesn't take a genius to understand why the plays look so much better when a good quarterback is throwing the ball.

JH and Greg Roman had the best college football Quarterback at Stanford, and still ran a boring power run scheme, rendering your point moot.

nrk · 01-10-2013, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HypocrisyIsGreat

JH and Greg Roman had the best college football Quarterback at Stanford, and still ran a boring power run scheme, rendering your point moot.

College and NFL are different beasts, your point is moot.

HypocrisyIsGreat · 01-10-2013, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

Like in 2011 when we passed on Randall Cobb because we already had Jennings, Nelson, Driver, Jones and Finley?

Cobb was a late 2nd round pick, versus a top 10 pick in Crabtree, and Cobb also had special teams value unlike Crabtree.

Comparison is terrible.

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When the Packers' 10-minute slot arrived, there were three names that they were seriously considering: Raji, Crabtree and Mississippi tackle Michael Oher. The Packers were extremely high on Oher as the No. 3 tackle, probably ahead of Virginia's Eugene Monroe, and viewed him as an immediate starter at right tackle. Then there was Raji, by far the best defensive tackle in the draft. In a moment of candor, Thompson conceded that it was a scenario he hadn't anticipated. Thompson said Raji and Crabtree had the same grade on the Packers' board. That's probably a matter of semantics, but people with knowledge of the Packers' thinking said Crabtree stood far and away as their pre-eminent player.

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_r...btree-for-raji

Ness · 01-10-2013, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

Ness, you didn't need to create another account to make yourself look better.

Yeah this is really doing wonders for my integrity.

HypocrisyIsGreat · 01-10-2013, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by nrk

College and NFL are different beasts, your point is moot.

Yeah, College is actually MORE pass happy, yet JH still ran a boring offense with the best pro prospect in a decade.

If JH had Aaron Rodgers, Rodgers would be throwing the ball 20-25 times a game, not 30-35. That's no slight towards Rodgers, it's a slight on Harbaugh and Roman's rudimentary offensive philosophy.

nrk · 01-10-2013, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by HypocrisyIsGreat

Yeah, College is actually MORE pass happy, yet JH still ran a boring offense with the best pro prospect in a decade.

If JH had Aaron Rodgers, Rodgers would be throwing the ball 20-25 times a game, not 30-35. That's no slight towards Rodgers, it's a slight on Harbaugh and Roman's rudimentary offensive philosophy.

Apparently you missed the domination by Alabama the past few years. Pass happy or not, it doesn't mean its going to win.

Ness · 01-10-2013, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Saints-Tigers

Me and Ne don't really get along, but I'd be shocked if this were Ness. Ness loves to use his own profile to make asinine statements ;)

Self promoting is a highly, highly respected business.

Justone2 · 01-10-2013, 04:24 PM

Yeah cause it would be criminal to use a top running back like Frank Gore.

Passing for 400 yards while not running the ball is obviously much better than running for 150 and passing for 250. Thats really so much difference in terms of production. You have to use your best players and in the Niners case there best player on offense is there Running back so you dont need to throw the bal all the time because you basically have no running back like the Packers.

HypocrisyIsGreat · 01-10-2013, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by nrk

Apparently you missed the domination of Alabama the past few years. Pass happy or not, it doesn't mean its going to win.

I must have missed the part where Alabama had a stud pocket passer in the same realm as Luck.

Unless you're one of the ones that is hugely impressed with AJ Mccaron's ability to throw a screen? Yeah, probably. Lol.

Saints-Tigers · 01-10-2013, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Ness

Self promoting is a highly, highly respected business.

Now go back in the phone booth and return as JordanTaber to save us.

jrdrylie · 01-10-2013, 04:26 PM

I'm not sure what where Thompson had Crabtree ranked in 2009 has to do with who is the best now. Tom Brady was rated lower than Chad Pennington. So I suppose that means Pennington is the future Hall of Famer and Brady is a commentator for Fox?

HypocrisyIsGreat · 01-10-2013, 04:27 PM

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Yeah cause it would be criminal to use a top running back like Frank Gore.

Passing for 400 yards while not running the ball is obviously much better than running for 150 and passing for 250. Thats really so much difference in terms of production. You have to use your best players and in the Niners case there best player on offense is there Running back so you dont need to throw the bal all the time because you basically have no running back like the Packers.

Gore isn't a top back. He's slow, lost some of his power, and tires easily. He's not a liability, but I wouldn't have him in my top 10.

I'd also disagree about Gore being the best player on offense.

HypocrisyIsGreat · 01-10-2013, 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jrdrylie

I'm not sure what where Thompson had Crabtree ranked in 2009 has to do with who is the best now. Tom Brady was rated lower than Chad Pennington. So I suppose that means Pennington is the future Hall of Famer and Brady is a commentator for Fox?

The context of me saying that was a doofus saying Crabtree would be the 5th wideout in GB. Looks like Ted Thompson would disagree with that(along with anyone who has a clue on how to evaluate talent)

Ness · 01-10-2013, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Saints-Tigers

Now go back in the phone booth and return as JordanTaber to save us.

Well sure, but there is lady that is currently occupying the phone booth here...the only booth here...in the desert...far away from civilization.

Monomach · 01-10-2013, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by HypocrisyIsGreat

A vast majority of the paint chip eating dolts on here don't seem to think offensive scheme/QB play plays a role in production.

If by "don't" you mean "overwhelmingly do," then you're right! This is brought up by, like...all of us.

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blah blah blaha bunch of crap that mischaracterizes the niners offense

Your trolling isn't very good at all. you're never going to be on the top tier like J-MIKE with those sweet, sweet INJURIEzZzZ.

HypocrisyIsGreat · 01-10-2013, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by HypocrisyIsGreat

Green Bay- 558 passing attempts.

San Francisco- 436 passing attempts.

Green Bay- Aaron Rodgers.

San Francisco- Alex Busto and Colin Kaepernick.

I'm quite sure these factors have NOTHING AT ALL to do with the GB WR productionzzzz.

Bumppppppppppp

Mufasa · 01-10-2013, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by HypocrisyIsGreat

The context of me saying that was a doofus saying Crabtree would be the 5th wideout in GB. Looks like Ted Thompson would disagree with that(along with anyone who has a clue on how to evaluate talent)

Thompson could have had Crabtree rated as the best player to ever enter the NFL Draft, and that still wouldn't change **** about how good of a player he is now. Charles Rogers was highly rated by everyone who has a clue on how to evaluate talent, and he failed miserably. How they were viewed as draft prospects is irrelevant now.

Jennings and Nelson are so far ahead of Crabtree it's not even up for debate. Even among 49ers fans you might be the only one to disagree. Cobb and Crabtree is a little closer, but I'm still taking Cobb everytime. Jones and Crabtree are about even, I used the fact that Jones lead the NFL in TDs as a tie breaker, but they're interchangeable I suppose.

I don't care that Crabtree was viewed as a better prospect than all of them, he's not a better NFL player.

HypocrisyIsGreat · 01-10-2013, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Monomach

If by "don't" you mean "overwhelmingly do," then you're right! This is brought up by, like...all of us.

Your trolling isn't very good at all. you're never going to be on the top tier like J-MIKE with those sweet, sweet INJURIEzZzZ.

My trolling isn't very good because I'm not trolling. I have football knowledge, unlike the majority of you, and most of the **** I say sails right over your vacant heads.

As far as the 9er offense goes, I'm pretty sure I have more understanding of it in my left pinkie than you do.

jrdrylie · 01-10-2013, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by HypocrisyIsGreat

The context of me saying that was a doofus saying Crabtree would be the 5th wideout in GB. Looks like Ted Thompson would disagree with that(along with anyone who has a clue on how to evaluate talent)

Once again, Thompson had Crabtree rated high in 2009. That has absolutely no relevance to where he would be ranked TODAY among the receivers.

DBNYDP · 01-10-2013, 04:38 PM

I think Crabtree is one of those players that got hated so much for not living up to expectations that he's now pretty underrated. He's had a pretty good year and his stats came up in a pretty bad offense for receivers because they run a lot. He's turned into Kapernick's favorite receiver for sure with Davis demanding a bunch of double teams this year. And frankly Gore hasn't run it that well lately, his YPC is around like 3.5 in the past five games or something.