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1) Ezekiel Ansah 6'6 275 DE, BYU Kiffin's schemes are predicated on front four pressure to allow the second/third levels float into coverage. At this point the team is banking injured superstars Ware and Ratliff to create most of the noise up front considering Spencer is most likely gone in FA. Ansah brings elite athleticism to the LE position and can help alleviate pressure for Ratliff/Ware to carry the load in the new scheme. Ansah also has the versatility to kick inside to rush the passer on third downs.

2) Travis Frederick 6'4 335 C/G, Wisconsin True road grader at either position Frederick adds versatility and bulk to a struggling interior line that often found difficulty holding ground. Not an elite athlete by any means but has enough lateral agility to slide in the pocket and pull if need be.

3) T.J. McDonald 6'2 205 FS, USC Kiffin digs into his So Cal bag and convinces Jerry to pick up TJ as an insurance policy for Church. McDonald has all the physical tools and experience you could ask for from a prospect but needs to be more consistent to grab a starting position. I think his best football is still in front of him.

4) Jawan Jamison 5'8 200 RB, Rutgers As a Rutgers fan it was really sad to see him declare as a redshirt sophmore, with another solid season he could have been a top 50 pick imo. He is a poor mans Ray Rice, does everything well but nothing will jump out at you in particular. Tough runner between the tackles but is undersized and most likely won't be as effective blasting holes at the next level. Solid speed but isn't going to win any foot races to the edge. Decent hands and willing blocker to go with good vision will make him a good second option.

5) Reid Fragel 6'7 290 OT, Ohio St One year starter at OT after being converted from a TE in 2011. Has very nice athleticism and bend for a prospect of his length, has good feet and can slide with speed rushers. Very inexperienced and will need to be coached up much like Parnell. Needs at least one season in a strength and conditioning program to add weight but has good frame to put on at least another 20 lbs.

6) David Bass 6'4 265 DE, Missouri West From the same conference as DT Brandon Williams, Bass has interesting physical tools as an outside edge rusher. At this point he won't contribute much outside of special teams but has raw athleticism to develop into a specialist behind Ware.
tj mcdonald was lost in kiffin's defense and watching the film on him from this season his angle were terrible, and looked mike jenkins when trying shed blockers, i would not draft him at all he is going to be bust, at least from analyzing his 2012 tape
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1) Ezekiel Ansah 6'6 275 DE, BYU Kiffin's schemes are predicated on front four pressure to allow the second/third levels float into coverage. At this point the team is banking injured superstars Ware and Ratliff to create most of the noise up front considering Spencer is most likely gone in FA. Ansah brings elite athleticism to the LE position and can help alleviate pressure for Ratliff/Ware to carry the load in the new scheme. Ansah also has the versatility to kick inside to rush the passer on third downs.

2) Travis Frederick 6'4 335 C/G, Wisconsin True road grader at either position Frederick adds versatility and bulk to a struggling interior line that often found difficulty holding ground. Not an elite athlete by any means but has enough lateral agility to slide in the pocket and pull if need be.

3) T.J. McDonald 6'2 205 FS, USC Kiffin digs into his So Cal bag and convinces Jerry to pick up TJ as an insurance policy for Church. McDonald has all the physical tools and experience you could ask for from a prospect but needs to be more consistent to grab a starting position. I think his best football is still in front of him.

4) Jawan Jamison 5'8 200 RB, Rutgers As a Rutgers fan it was really sad to see him declare as a redshirt sophmore, with another solid season he could have been a top 50 pick imo. He is a poor mans Ray Rice, does everything well but nothing will jump out at you in particular. Tough runner between the tackles but is undersized and most likely won't be as effective blasting holes at the next level. Solid speed but isn't going to win any foot races to the edge. Decent hands and willing blocker to go with good vision will make him a good second option.

5) Reid Fragel 6'7 290 OT, Ohio St One year starter at OT after being converted from a TE in 2011. Has very nice athleticism and bend for a prospect of his length, has good feet and can slide with speed rushers. Very inexperienced and will need to be coached up much like Parnell. Needs at least one season in a strength and conditioning program to add weight but has good frame to put on at least another 20 lbs.

6) David Bass 6'4 265 DE, Missouri West From the same conference as DT Brandon Williams, Bass has interesting physical tools as an outside edge rusher. At this point he won't contribute much outside of special teams but has raw athleticism to develop into a specialist behind Ware.
I'm not in the group that believes Spencer is gone. Maybe I'm being naive, but I know Jerry finds a way to keep his toys and Stephen is creative with the cap. Plus, I think the team could feel comfortable enough to give Crawford a legit shot at it first. Oh another thing, I fully believe that Garrett is gonna get his toys too. He had no issues convincing Jerry to go OL with Tyron and I think he's gonna do it again.

Frederick is one of those guys that I was high on in the beginning of the season because I read good things about him, but when I watched him this year, I quickly notched him down the list. I just wasn't really impressed and I don't think he's gonna play C in the NFL.

TJ is another guy who I was high on and he soured. I like guys who keep their stock up, but I agree with you that I think he has a better future ahead of him.

Didn't know Jamison declared... NICE PICK!

Fragel is a good prospect to take a gamble on. Nice upside and plays with a mean streak.

Dunno anything about Baas.
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Finisher, that's a defensive heavy draft. I just don't see Garrett doing something like that with his neck on the line with basically a one year deal.

Brown went in round 1 of our currently running forum mock. TACKLE took him for the Ravens. That's a little high, but still, I don't think Brown reaches us in Round 3 at all. TJ is a cool pick in the 3rd. Robey is a little guy, but he's got some tenacity in him. I'd be down for him as a nickel back. I think he can stick with the shifty kind of slot WRs. Definitely not someone you want covering big physical WRs... but in the 4th round, you can start to look for players who can help you in specialized situations if you think they can play 15+ snaps a game.
Garrett's neck is on the line if the team fails, the worst thing he can do is start thinking like an OC on the hot seat and hang Kiffin out to dry by not giving him the pieces to make this transition easier. Because guess what, if the D fails us its still gonna be Garrett's head.

The more I think of it the more I think Kiffin was a JG hire. His track record speaks for itself and if you give him the pieces his defense is a proven commodity. Garrett needs Monte to come through, his job depends on it. I think he'll grant Kiffin whatever he asks for.

Besides, most of our offense's problems where from a coaching standpoint. Hopefully he's learned some things this year, our offense did pick it up in the 2nd half of the season so that gives me hope. Yea, we could use better interior OL play... But no unit is without its weaknesses. If Garrett needs a perfect lineup to have a good offense then he shouldn't be the guy anyway.
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Who are the top 4-3 DE's in the draft?
all the top guys can play 4-3 de is just matter of do they play on the left or the right, which is the beauty of 4-3 everybody has a place in it.
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Sharrif Floyd*, DT, Florida

What do you guys think about him in round 1? Broddus has been watching tape of D line prospects and he seems to love him
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What do you guys think about him in round 1? Broddus has been watching tape of D line prospects and he seems to love him
If Cooper/Warmock/Vaccaro are off the board I'd think about it. He's not my favorite prospect and I rate our interior 4-3 personnel as a borderline strength unless we cut Rat.
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What do you guys think about him in round 1? Broddus has been watching tape of D line prospects and he seems to love him
We don't need to spend the 18th pick on him. I know that. When I watch him, he's disruptive no doubt... but I wonder if he lacks game to game consistency because his overall season stats aren't that great.
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I'm not interested in spending our 1st round pick on a Safety. That class is just way too deep and there isn't an incredible difference between them.

Part of me wonders if we should trade our 1st this year for a 2nd this year and a 1st next year... great value in the 2nd and that 1st next year can be used to get Johnny Football. BOOYA.
Yes! Trade down this year.
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Yes! Trade down this year.
Yeah, there has to be someone there that someone wants to trade up for. Let's hope some guys get super fake hype during the pre-draft events... and that we don't fall prey to that mistake of believing it.
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Yeah, there has to be someone there that someone wants to trade up for. Let's hope some guys get super fake hype during the pre-draft events... and that we don't fall prey to that mistake of believing it.
We are in prime QB slipping territory. My hope is that Jacksonville, Buffalo, or the Jets love someone who slips down to us and is willing to pay what Buffalo did for Losman (early 2nd, 5th and next years 1st).

Granted if Cooper/Warmock is sitting there I don't want to move at all unless someone wants to do something really dumb.
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We are in prime QB slipping territory. My hope is that Jacksonville, Buffalo, or the Jets love someone who slips down to us and is willing to pay what Buffalo did for Losman (early 2nd, 5th and next years 1st).

Granted if Cooper/Warmock is sitting there I don't want to move at all unless someone wants to do something really dumb.
I agree that trading down is going to be a serious consideration if teams start calling. With the needs on the offensive line and new toys Monte might be looking for an extra 2nd round pick would be very helpful.

If Warmack is on the board it is going to be hard not to pull the trigger, I might even have a Stephen Jackson type draft day melt down if we did something different. Cooper I think he will be available and while I am really high on him I wouldn't through something at the TV of we chose to move down for a good deal.

At the end of round one / top of round two I am really looking into David Amerson and Xavier Rhodes to add at free safety. Both are tall rangy athletes that can go up and get the ball. As an added bonus they both are college corners so have some ability to man up if need be,
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I agree that trading down is going to be a serious consideration if teams start calling. With the needs on the offensive line and new toys Monte might be looking for an extra 2nd round pick would be very helpful.

If Warmack is on the board it is going to be hard not to pull the trigger, I might even have a Stephen Jackson type draft day melt down if we did something different. Cooper I think he will be available and while I am really high on him I wouldn't through something at the TV of we chose to move down for a good deal.

At the end of round one / top of round two I am really looking into David Amerson and Xavier Rhodes to add at free safety. Both are tall rangy athletes that can go up and get the ball. As an added bonus they both are college corners so have some ability to man up if need be,
if the cowboys go defense it doesn't need to be a safety it needs to be a pass rusher preferably and interior one b/c the tampa 2 doesnt work when you can't get the quarterback
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if the cowboys go defense it doesn't need to be a safety it needs to be a pass rusher preferably and interior one b/c the tampa 2 doesnt work when you can't get the quarterback
They are going to bank on Ratliff to get pressure from the inside and Ware coming off the edge. Who would possibly be available at 18 if we were targeting a inside pass rusher Hankins, Williams, or Floyd? Hankins and Williams are better fits four the nose in a for man front and Floyd is a nice player that could develop into a 3 tech but has limited pass rush at this point.

In a trade down who would you like ?

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Ya I tweeted him as well and he is REALLY high on Floyd's motor. Im not sure where he would fit on the defense though. Ratliff is going to get a crack at the 3-tech but he can certainly play 1 tech in a four man front if needed. Floyd is has the physical tools to do either but is raw in terms of pass rush skills.
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Ya I tweeted him as well and he is REALLY high on Floyd's motor. Im not sure where he would fit on the defense though. Ratliff is going to get a crack at the 3-tech but he can certainly play 1 tech in a four man front if needed. Floyd is has the physical tools to do either but is raw in terms of pass rush skills.
Easily the most impressive prospect per the Production Ratio is Kawann Short out of Purdue. Short has been a wrecking ball for offensive lines almost his entire college career. In addition to his impressive production ratio, Short has also notched 15 pass breakups over his four-year career. The guy's stats are through the roof, and if the Cowboys want an interior pass rusher, Short could be their guy. His Production Ratio over his junior and senior seasons is 1.79. That's J.J. Watt territory (1.85) - and Purdue and Wisconsin play in the same conference, so those numbers are as comparable as it gets. Here's a detailed breakdown of both players in their last two college season:

Player Games Tackles TFL Sacks INT PBU
J.J. Watt 26 105 36 11.5 1 12
Kawann Short 26 97 33 13.5 0 6

Of course, the 6-6, 287 Watt put up measurables at the NFL Combine that the 6-3, 315 Short will never reach, but in terms of raw college production the two are very comparable. And Short is scheme-versatile: he can play nose tackle and he can play defensive end.

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NEW MOCK DRAFT

1. Chance Warmack
2. Danny Lee Jesus "DJ" Fluker
3. Levine Toilolo
4a. Marquess Wilson 4b. Kiko Alonzo/Nico Johnson
5a. Joe Kruger 5b. Tyrann Mathieu
6. Josh Downs

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1. I chose Warmack over Cooper b/c i think Cooper's best position in the NFL is center he is undersized, but he similar in athleticism to the Pouncey twins. the cowboys coaching staff is still very high on costa, so taking Warmack and having a big guard next to him makes sense. cooper might be the pick if the rams take warmack but i think they'll have be looking very hard at eric fisher or kyle long b/c they really need a LT.

2. First off school affiliation has nothing to do with this pick, in fact i have the Cowboys drafting and moving him to guard, it worked with big leonard and Fluker is a monster who excels in phone booth situations where he will be able to engulf defenders. he has issues with protection against speed rushers and moving him to guard should eliminate that problem and he could kick out tackle if parnell struggles.

3. witten4hof i know you like john phillips but the reality is he is a non factor as a reciever and good blocker, but not a great one either. toilolo has tremendous upside and his biggest asset should be in the red zone, which has been the cowboys offese's biggest bugaboo during the jason garrett playcalling era. witten is chain mover and has never been a red zone threat, toilolo should be a constant red zone threat in the middle and back of the endzone and he has the speed to stretch seam and blocking ability we lost from martellus bennett, he should flourish while be mentored by witten.

4. this is a toss up, i think we need better talent at reciver. we have dez but the fact that we kept ogletree and 5'6 guy with no great physical tools at all and he quit the team and still made the 53 out of training says something abut the lack of talent and depth at reciever. if he didnt quit the team he would probably he a second rounder. on the otherhand i went back and watched film from wilber at wf and he doesn't look like lb, he has the lanky frame of de and its make me think his position might be being ware's backup or pass specialist. alonzo has come thru a troubled past and emerged as one of the best linebackers in the pac10 and nico johnson is well coached from the saban system either would be good choice

5. kruger has all tools to be a starting caliber, he is raw but has goo bloodlines he might not make this far b/c a team might fall in love with his potential but if he is here, he is good developmental piece who should be at least rotational early on in his career. mathieu is best fit in the nfl in a zone scheme, he has great instincts and anticipation, he would thrive in the ronde barber role and maybe even move to safety b/c he plays like's 210 lbs.

6. downs projects as rotational player, at lsu he was very disruptive but nfl see him as too small to be a every down, they said that about geno atkins too. his best attribute is as interior pass rusher and you can never have too many guys that can get after the quarterback

overall

i secured the line and gave some weapon for romo and whoever is gonna be the play caller we should have enough on the defensive side of the ball for monte kiffin to work with. i didnt address rb b/cimproving the line will the running game and running can found anywhere you just have to find the right guy to fit your system.
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They are going to bank on Ratliff to get pressure from the inside and Ware coming off the edge. Who would possibly be available at 18 if we were targeting a inside pass rusher Hankins, Williams, or Floyd? Hankins and Williams are better fits four the nose in a for man front and Floyd is a nice player that could develop into a 3 tech but has limited pass rush at this point.

In a trade down who would you like ?
i think we should stay where we are and take the best player available even its wr, safety, or whatever position we could use help at any position. unless the rams take warmack he going to be on the board

i have new mock draft up btw
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How is your DT depth? How much does Ratliff have in the tank?
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@RJBrasilcdn: @BryanBroaddus if you are picking, do you lean Sheldon Richardson(Mizzou) or Shariff Floyd(Florida) at pick 18? Floyd.
Broaddus probably just started seriously evaluating players and Floyd seems like he popped out most in his mind (probably watched the bowl game). I don't think he's finished up evaluating everyone yet. So it's hard to take this seriously.


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Easily the most impressive prospect per the Production Ratio is Kawann Short out of Purdue. Short has been a wrecking ball for offensive lines almost his entire college career. In addition to his impressive production ratio, Short has also notched 15 pass breakups over his four-year career. The guy's stats are through the roof, and if the Cowboys want an interior pass rusher, Short could be their guy. His Production Ratio over his junior and senior seasons is 1.79. That's J.J. Watt territory (1.85) - and Purdue and Wisconsin play in the same conference, so those numbers are as comparable as it gets. Here's a detailed breakdown of both players in their last two college season:

Player Games Tackles TFL Sacks INT PBU
J.J. Watt 26 105 36 11.5 1 12
Kawann Short 26 97 33 13.5 0 6

Of course, the 6-6, 287 Watt put up measurables at the NFL Combine that the 6-3, 315 Short will never reach, but in terms of raw college production the two are very comparable. And Short is scheme-versatile: he can play nose tackle and he can play defensive end.

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I'll tell you why I like Kawann... he reminds me of Warren Sapp. He's got that big belly and chicken legs. Squatty like Sapp, but plays with great leverage, has a nice swim move and he doesn't play sloppy like a lot of DTs do falling down all over the place. Like Sapp, he's light on his feet and has good coordination in pursuit (good change of direction for a tackle). I think those light legs have a lot to do with it.

Floyd is more thick throughout and isn't as clean moving around. Plays slower but has good length and can play DE too. Short is only a DT.

But if I had a choice I would go with Short. Kinda reminds me of Sapp.
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I keep hearing regarding the 4-3 or the 3-4 and for me I still think we need to get the best BPA. I had always been a 4-3 team and it was good to us. When we drafted or went to get 3-4 players we got Ware. I have always liked the 4-3 because it is straight FB. I THINK HE GIVE more pressure in terms of by all 4 DL not just by the OLB. No pressure allows our secondary to get beat. Mark it down our secondary we get more INT next year.

I just want to fix the OL and get some big bodies.

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How is your DT depth? How much does Ratliff have in the tank?
I think he needs a full offseason of rest. His game never got off the ground this year. Jerry is a guy who lives in the moment, so he's probably worried about the amount of guaranteed money left on his contract. But I don't think Ratliff's career is over. If anything, I think this move to the 4-3 will make him better. We've been saying for years how he's a much better fit in the 4-3 and now that we're doing it, I'm excited for that. He just needs to get healthy. His groin will heal plenty in time.

I'm also excited for Marcus Spears in the 4-3. Another guy we've been saying would be better in that scheme. Add Spencer too as a matter of fact. I don't have as many concerns about our DTs as others seem to. I think Hatcher will be a good starter for us. Plus we have Tyrone Crawford who surprised many with how good he was against the run. Lissemore is scheme versatile and will probably keep doing the same. He's been reliable.

I'm not high on a DT in Round 1. Especially with the depth in this draft.
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But the question do they resign Spencer?
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But the question do they resign Spencer?
We'll be fine either way. We can certainly make a few moves and have enough money to do so without really straining but the move to the 4-3 gives us the option of letting him walk if his demands are higher than we like.

Ratliff SHOULD be back even with that contract as the 4-3 fits nicely and it completely removes DT as a need for the team. I think Spears is packing his bags and gone. I mean Lissemore, Hatcher, Bass are all breathing down his neck and that's not even counting probably the most talented player who is signed to a futures contract in Brian Price. If he comes back healthy from his medical nightmare since being drafted he will not only make this team but he will be starting.
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