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Old 01-14-2013, 01:01 PM    (permalink
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Every Seahawks fan wants them to draft a 3-tech DT or sign Randy Starks becuase they feel dont get pressure at all sometimes. They have a slightly average/above average DL that looks much better because they aggressively substitute. They never put Irvin in run situations or Red Bryant/Alan Branch in pass situations. They dont have a pass rusher of Ware's caliber which is really important when you want rush 4 alone.
Their DL philosophy is different from most teams. They ask those 3 bulky DTs up front to stuff the running lanes and push the pocket. They're not asked to rush the passer, their job is to occupy linemen.

Then they line up their pass rushing End wide 9, and his job is to rush the passer all 3 downs. He isn't asked to play the run. So his job is outside pass rush at all costs.

So they generate rush on 1 side from the wide 9 end, they stuff the run with the other 3 and generally destroy the strong side running game with their bulk up front, and if they want to generate pressure on the opposite end of the wide 9 rusher, they'll use a lot of games to create pressure on the other side, or a blitzing DB or backer. That's why Hill is so valuable to them.

They have a very unique philosophy on defense as far as their pass rush is concerned.
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Their DL philosophy is different from most teams. They ask those 3 bulky DTs up front to stuff the running lanes and push the pocket. They're not asked to rush the passer, their job is to occupy linemen.

Then they line up their pass rushing End wide 9, and his job is to rush the passer all 3 downs. He isn't asked to play the run. So his job is outside pass rush at all costs.

So they generate rush on 1 side from the wide 9 end, they stuff the run with the other 3 and generally destroy the strong side running game with their bulk up front, and if they want to generate pressure on the opposite end of the wide 9 rusher, they'll use a lot of games to create pressure on the other side, or a blitzing DB or backer. That's why Hill is so valuable to them.

They have a very unique philosophy on defense as far as their pass rush is concerned.
That's true but they do want pass rush from the 3-tech. He can't be a small gap shooter like a true Tampa-2 3 tech but they want pass rush from there. When you punt pass rush from a traditional spot(LDE) you need another rusher somewhere. They don't blitz the WILL as much as they should so ideally the 3-tech picks up the slack. He'll be singled up 90% of the time so penetrate, bull rush and beat blockers is his role. Jason Jones was really good at that role in the start of the season but got injured and the pass rush fell of a cliff.

The LEO/Elephant does have his run responsibilities. He has to set the edge. Can't just go upfield everytime. Thats why Irvin sucked balls yesterday because he was too worried about the run. That meant they had to blitz far more(both Atlanta passes in the end where zone DB blitzes that were late and picked up) and couldn't cover as well.
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Forget about what scheme Kiffin is going to run. He couldn't even stop Notre Dame's offense.
They scored 22 points....


...horrible example. Arizona, Oregon, and UCLA lit him up and you used the 22 points ND put up against us with a QB that put us in horrible field position the whole game as the example. Cmon.
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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That's true but they do want pass rush from the 3-tech. He can't be a small gap shooter like a true Tampa-2 3 tech but they want pass rush from there. When you punt pass rush from a traditional spot(LDE) you need another rusher somewhere. They don't blitz the WILL as much as they should so ideally the 3-tech picks up the slack. He'll be singled up 90% of the time so penetrate, bull rush and beat blockers is his role. Jason Jones was really good at that role in the start of the season but got injured and the pass rush fell of a cliff.

The LEO/Elephant does have his run responsibilities. He has to set the edge. Can't just go upfield everytime. Thats why Irvin sucked balls yesterday because he was too worried about the run. That meant they had to blitz far more(both Atlanta passes in the end where zone DB blitzes that were late and picked up) and couldn't cover as well.
Do you have any articles that breaks down their gap responsibilities? I would like to learn more about their system.
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Do you have any articles that breaks down their gap responsibilities? I would like to learn more about their system.
Start here (on two-gap/one-gap run fits): http://footballislifeblog.blogspot.c...ts-in-two.html

Then here for Seahawks stuff:

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2012/12/12...in-run-defense

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2012/12/19...ent-discipline

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2012/10/9/...-and-execution
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Tannehill was a better QB (than Gabbert) when he was still playing WR

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YFS got me.

This too even though it was more last year:
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2012/3/12/...-hybrid-fronts

http://www.fieldgulls.com/football-breakdowns Pretty much every play/wrinkle/scheme Hawks related gets a look here. Even if you are not a Hawks fan you should read this.
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It looks like the Cowboys will be trying to switch to the Cover 2 defense with the potential signing of Rod Marinelli to go along with Monte Kiffin. Looks like the Cover 2 is spreading around the NFL as teams try to limit the deep threats posed by the great QB's in the league.
Of course, it will be a Hybrid system but the Cover 2 is a defense that sells out on the run to defend the pass and with the passing game dominating offenses in the NFL, it should come as no surprise that teams are using forms of it more and more.

As a side note, I think people should stop calling it the Tampa 2, because as Dungy pointed out years ago, the defense was 1st used by the great Steeler defenses of the 70's, he took it from them and used it in Tampa and then in Indy but the true name of the defense is the Cover 2.
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