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Old 02-04-2013, 03:38 PM    (permalink
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I love the Ravens nucleus of Flacco, Rice and Smith. They need to keep those guys together as they are the identity of that team moving forward.
Bernard Pierce outplayed Rice in the playoffs, so turn that love triangle into a love quadrilateral.
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im thoroughly looking forward to seeing how much flacco steals from them in the next few months
Probably less than the amount of hearts he stole from Steelers fans wives this postseason.
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im not to worried about it
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"He won't be able to just use his arm power to throw defenders around at the next level!"

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I really don't see what is the hold-up here with finalizing this. Seems Baltimore is hung up over his statiscal numbers in the regular season because his numbers there may not rival some of the top QB's there, but I hardly see why that is important. Flacco has been clutch in the playoffs his entire career, and he's consitently gotten better there. It's like asking if you would rather have Tony Romo or Joe Flacco as your franchise QB.


Romo has had better numbers in the regular season then Flacco has probably every year he's been starting, but we know how he finishes the year, so would that make them feel better? It pays to have a QB as good as him in the post season, and all the teams with an elite QB have to figure out a way to build a team around a QB who makes that much money a year.
It's the fantasy football world we live in. Everyone, every single year, gets hung up on regular season statistics. Especially leading up to the start of the season.
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Even if you just take a peak at his regular season numbers, they are pretty decent. Flacco plays some good football and is going to get a nice fat contract. Not bad for someone who has never been named All Pro or even invited to a Pro Bowl.

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His next two years are a minimum of 44 million dollars (double franchise tag). I would expect to see guaranteed dollars in excess of 70 million with that in mind.
I am wondering where you got this number? This year the QB tag number is around $15 million, which would make his tag number for the following year about $18 million.
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Flacco needs to send Rahim Moore a monster-sized fruit basket when he signs his contract.




LOL that play still makes me cringe and laugh.
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yeah rebuilding....sure. Steelers lost so many ridiculous heart breakers this year its sickening. Broncos, Raiders, Titans, Cowboys all in OT or by 3 points. Ben had his most efficient season until he was the first person to suffer that injury since like 97. Wasnt in the cards this year, but the steelers have been the team to pick as "rebuilding" for the last decade, meanwhile the ravens were the first team in 11 years to represent the AFC that wasnt the steelers, colts, or patriots.

Again, looking forward to seeing how much money he steals from them. I really hope the steelers and ravens open up on thursday night football
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yeah rebuilding....sure. Steelers lost so many ridiculous heart breakers this year its sickening. Broncos, Raiders, Titans, Cowboys all in OT or by 3 points. Ben had his most efficient season until he was the first person to suffer that injury since like 97. Wasnt in the cards this year, but the steelers have been the team to pick as "rebuilding" for the last decade, meanwhile the ravens were the first team in 11 years to represent the AFC that wasnt the steelers, colts, or patriots.

Again, looking forward to seeing how much money he steals from them. I really hope the steelers and ravens open up on thursday night football
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LOL that play still makes me cringe and laugh.
One could make the argument that Rahim Moore misplaying that ball, got Joe Flacco an additional $5 million per season.
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Even if you just take a peak at his regular season numbers, they are pretty decent. Flacco plays some good football and is going to get a nice fat contract. Not bad for someone who has never been named All Pro or even invited to a Pro Bowl.

Damn, I didn't realize Flacco was that efficient.
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One could make the argument that Rahim Moore misplaying that ball, got Joe Flacco an additional $5 million per season.
Nah...I think it only got him an extra $4 Million per season.
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One could make the argument that Rahim Moore misplaying that ball, got Joe Flacco an additional $5 million per season.
One could make an argument that Tom Brady wouldn't be married to Giselle without Adam Vinatieri.
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One could make the argument that Rahim Moore misplaying that ball, got Joe Flacco an additional $5 million per season.
Regardless of what he gets paid per season extra, his guaranteed money will still be in excess of 70 million. (unless it's like a 4 year deal...)
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Yeah. He'd be stuck with Bridget Moynahan. Poor bastard.
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Or Matt Cassel would not have gotten a fat contract without Pollard obliterating brady's knee. Actually that is no argument at all. He sucks
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I get wanting to be paid, but dude do you really have to make sure your the highest paid player in the league? Wouldn't you want to take a little less to make space for other good players.
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I get wanting to be paid, but dude do you really have to make sure your the highest paid player in the league? Wouldn't you want to take a little less to make space for other good players.
I can sympathise slightly with the wanting to get paid part. Flacco has a ring and a Superbowl MVP to his name, nothing wrong with going after as much cash as possible. It isn't the best for his team, but if I was Flacco's agent I would be in for everything I can.
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I can sympathise slightly with the wanting to get paid part. Flacco has a ring and a Superbowl MVP to his name, nothing wrong with going after as much cash as possible. It isn't the best for his team, but if I was Flacco's agent I would be in for everything I can.
I never understood this entirely though. I get wanting to be paid a premium at the position, but what is the point in asking for 20 million instead of 18 when that two million makes a huge difference in the level of talent that surrounds you? That two million might save Anquan Boldin's roster spot next year. When you're making 18 million dollars a season, is there anything you can't afford? Is the extra two really going to make that much of a difference in what you can purchase over the course of your career? Especially for Flacco, who doesn't seem like he's out buying 100 foot yachts to have massive parties on.
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Now that the Baltimore Ravens won the Super Bowl the NFL is now going through the grueling task of getting their teams ready for the 2014 season. Some players will cash in and some will see their careers ended. A lot of current talk has come to the future of Baltimore’s top signal caller Joe Flacco who has come out and said that he is expecting money comparable to the 5 year $100 million dollar contract that New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees inked in July, making Flacco potentially the highest paid QB in the NFL. Most people would consider this a no brainer, he’s the franchise quarterback give him what he wants. Now don’t get me wrong, this is not a post about the need to get rid of Joe Flacco because lets be honest that is just not good sense.

First Argument: This isn’t baseball.

While I think that most fans know that the NFL has a cap they forget that “taking care of the quarterback” also means not taking care of other positions. As of right now the Ravens have between 15 and 20 million dollars in salary cap space depending on which source you reference. So if the Ravens give Flacco the same contract as Drew Brees, his cap figure would be 10.4 million dollars for the 2013 season [source]. Which leaves them with a grand total of 4.6 to 9.6 million dollars to resign four starters in Maake Kemoeatu, Dannell Ellerbe, Paul Kruger, and Ed Reed. All this while having to spend approx 5 million dollars singing the upcoming rookie class. This also will create a real issue when trying to resign LT Oher, WR Anquan Boldin, WR Jacoby Jones, and FB Vontae Leach in the 2014 free agency period.

Second Argument: Teams that win the Super Bowl don’t put all their cap space on a quarterback.

Year Super Bowl Winning QB Cap Number Cap Rank
2000-01 Trent Dilfer $1000300 36
2001-02 Tom Brady* $314993 78
2002-03 Brad Johnson $6803150 6
2003-04 Tom Brady $3323450 21
2004-05 Tom Brady $5062950 13
2005-06 Ben Roethlisberger $4225090 17
2006-07 Peyton Manning $10571068 5
2007-08 Eli Manning $10046666 3
2008-09 Ben Roethlisberger $7971920 13
2009-10 Drew Brees $10660400 13
2010-11 Aaron Rodgers $8250000 13
The table above is a list of the quarterbacks who won the Super Bowl since the last time the Baltimore Ravens won the Super Bowl (2000-2001 season) until the 2010-2011 season. (Data shown here). As you can see from the data only two teams (likely three if we include the past two seasons being Eli Manning) have a quarterback who is in the top 5 as far as cap number. Only three in the time frame (likely four when we include the second giant’s super bowl) were in the top ten in QB salary cap. More than half of the quarterbacks in this year’s playoffs were still in their rookie contracts. Which is generally (save the last few years prior to the rookie wage scale) are generally cheaper than the veteran contracts.

Third argument: He’s just not that good.
NFL organizations just can’t pay guys based on the euphoria of winning a Lombardi Trophy and winning isn’t a statistic for quarterback play. Things that are considered quarterback statistics are yards, attempts, yards per game, passer rating, and completions all of these Joe Flacco has not rated higher than 11th among quarterbacks in any of these statistical categories through the regular season. Yet he is asking for top 5 quarterback money. I understand the ways of supply and demand but an above average at best quarterback shouldn’t be asking that much money.

So in conclusion I can honestly say that I see the Ravens keeping Flacco one way or another be it via the franchise tag or via a new reasonable contract Ozzie Newsome is a great general manager and he’ll make the right decision.
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I really don't see what is the hold-up here with finalizing this. Seems Baltimore is hung up over his statiscal numbers in the regular season because his numbers there may not rival some of the top QB's there, but I hardly see why that is important. Flacco has been clutch in the playoffs his entire career, and he's consitently gotten better there. It's like asking if you would rather have Tony Romo or Joe Flacco as your franchise QB.


Romo has had better numbers in the regular season then Flacco has probably every year he's been starting, but we know how he finishes the year, so would that make them feel better? It pays to have a QB as good as him in the post season, and all the teams with an elite QB have to figure out a way to build a team around a QB who makes that much money a year.
I just think it is Brees all over again. In the cap era teams play hardball and players looking for raises are put through the ringer. Flacco likely holds out till Baltimore gives in quite a bit, but it may not come early.
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