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Old 02-01-2013, 05:46 PM    (permalink
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The reason why he's a 2nd round grade to me is bc he lacks elite tools for a ILB which makes it hard for you to be a 1st rounder at that position. Also I looked at this clip of him and weighted it pretty heavily:



That was vs Bob and the spread option. He struggled in this game. We have to consider that bc of the spread option being so important and prominent in the NFC and in our division in particular.
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Could we be interested in Jarvis Jones if he falls? He's a great talent, but the injury concerns are there for him. If he checks out fine, then he could be a great steal. Looks to be in the mold of a Von Miller-type (probably not THAT good though), we could use him as a pass-rushing OLB, like we wanted to with Kiwi.
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I dunno. That's a luxury pick and with all our needs I wouldn't move up for a luxury pick.

I rather move up for Ansah or Fisher.
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I dunno. That's a luxury pick and with all our needs I wouldn't move up for a luxury pick.

I rather move up for Ansah or Fisher.
Oh, I'm not talking about moving up for him, I've just seen some places that he might be in for a drop to around where we are picking. If so, would we consider him? I mean, if he turns out to be Von Miller, or something close to him, it would negate our need for a DE for passrushing purposes to an extent.
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What do you guys think about taking Barkevious Mingo in the first?

Also, is there any chance that Bjoern Werner falls to the Giants pick? He would be a great 4-3 LDE.
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Also, is there any chance that Bjoern Werner falls to the Giants pick? He would be a great 4-3 LDE.
I'm not very high on Mingo to be honest. Like others better than him if we go for a passrusher in the first round.

If by some sick twist Werner is available when we pick, I demand we take him. But he will probably be long gone at 19...
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Werner comes off as a RE in my eyes. I don't think he can set the edge well in the NFL.

Ansah really is the perfect LE for us. It just makes so much sense for us. But I just don't see him being there at 19.
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What's the cost? I'd lean towards no bc we have a lot of needs. But if it was a 1st and 2nd, and he blows up the combine, then i would give it strong consideration.
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that's the big question. a 1st and a 2nd is a LOT to give up. it's tough and a hypothetical with so many different situations. it's interesting because there are a lot of guys we can get that fit our needs by staying put at 19, but Ansah just seems so perfect.
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that's the big question. a 1st and a 2nd is a LOT to give up. it's tough and a hypothetical with so many different situations. it's interesting because there are a lot of guys we can get that fit our needs by staying put at 19, but Ansah just seems so perfect.
I'd probably lean against it. Now if its a 1st and 4th? Hell yeah. A 1st and 3rd? Maybe.
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I'd probably lean against it. Now if its a 1st and 4th? Hell yeah. A 1st and 3rd? Maybe.
It all depends on how Ansah projects and the potential cost to trade up (either in player or picks).
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Looking at the trade value chart, if we wanted to trade up:

Our 1st and 2nd gets us around #8

Our 1st and 3rd gets us around #15
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After today's cuts. LB to me is by far you biggest need. Really two of them.
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Ogletree makes sense. Someone who can cover.
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I don't think we draft a LB early

I think we will go the free agent route, much like we have in the past when we brought in guys like Barrow, Arrington, Pierce and Boley.

I could see us resigning Rivers cheaply and bringing in someone like Erin Henderson (Vikings).
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so after we cut our starting DT and RB, LB is now our biggest need?

Close but no cigar.
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so after we cut our starting DT and RB, LB is now our biggest need?

Close but no cigar.
I think it is expected that between Andre Brown and David Wilson have RB covered.

Considering Thomas is likely done, even if Webster is back I think CB is at least as high a priority as LB

I would rate our current priority of needs as follows:

1. DT
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Meh, not worried about LB at all. Grab a few FA's, draft a couple guys late and problem solved.
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Yall are under-rating our need for a DE. Tuck is a bum at this point, Kiwi's not special, and Trattou and Ojomo are completely unknowns who probably aren't special either. Definitely a higher priority need than LB, and in the same tier as DT, DB and OG.
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hey, i've been with you on the DE bandwagon. However, DT and if we cut Webster, CB, may go ahead of it, if we move Kiwi full time to DE (which we freaking should)
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I don't think this first wave of cuts necessarily changes our needs that much. I would still want us to go some combination of CB/DE/OL in the first three rounds.

They just reveal what we need in the later rounds. a DT, LBs and possibly a RB are all needs now. But we can address those in the later rounds/FA.
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Does anyone know, do we still get compensatory picks for the players we cut if they sign big contracts elsewhere, or do we have to lose them in free agency to get the extra picks?
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Does anyone know, do we still get compensatory picks for the players we cut if they sign big contracts elsewhere, or do we have to lose them in free agency to get the extra picks?
Lose them in FA. If they are cut then there is no compensation.
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Lose them in FA. If they are cut then there is no compensation.
Oh, ok. Kinda figured. But with all these cuts it would be sweet to get comp picks for them, lol :)
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