The 2013 Recruiting Thread - Page 60

SickwithIt1010 · 02-08-2013, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JRTPlaya21

You also have to coach it up and not have lapses against inferior opponents. USC had a class one year with like 8 to 10 five stars and walked away with a grand total of zero national championships.

Which class are you talking about? Because if you are talking about the McKnight/Tyler/Griffen/etc. Class, they did walk away with 2 rose bowls with that group, and arguably should have been in the title game in 2 of those years.

JoeJoeBrown · 02-08-2013, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SickwithIt1010

Which class are you talking about? Because if you are talking about the McKnight/Tyler/Griffen/etc. Class, they did walk away with 2 rose bowls with that group, and arguably should have been in the title game in 2 of those years.

Sooooooo.... You are validating his point by agreeing that there were no NCs.

Got it.

Punisher · 02-08-2013, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeJoeBrown

Sooooooo.... You are validating his point by agreeing that there were no NCs.

Got it.

Yeah, Rosebowls aren't fancy enough for ya?

bearsfan_51 · 02-08-2013, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by draftguru151

I think there is some correlation between top classes and top teams, but a lot of what goes into Rivals (and everywhere else) rankings is who offers and where they commit to. Alabama keeps getting top ranked guys because they're going to Bama.

In general, the schools that get the best talent will be better, but there are tons of teams with top classes that still don't compete for national titles.

Texas A&Ms last 4 years were 22, 17, 27 and 15. Good, but not a team you'd expect to contend for an SEC title last year (and likely a NC this year). A lot of that has to do with Manziel, but their OL and DL were fantastic last year.

Meanwhile Texas was 5, 3, 3, 2 the last 4 years. And they blew dick. Oregon has solid rankings, but not great. KState was in the 60s the past few years. I'm sure there are more (especially with high ranking teams being bad).

Again, there's correlation between being good and having a high ranking, but I don't think it's a something that's dependent on each other.

Also Rivals rankings are complete **** now that 247 stole all their guys.

This is a big part of it.

Also, for those of you that are fans of "helmet schools", one thing you don't understand is that 99% of the website's content and attention goes to players those schools are interested in signing because those are the fanbases fanatical/stupid enough to subscribe to something like rivals. Rivals is usually pretty solid in identifying the top 250 players. Beyond that? They don't have a ******* clue because at most they've watched a youtube video or two. Their rankings get really murky beyond that, so if your goal isn't to in the national championship, they are pretty worthless.

JRTPlaya21 · 02-08-2013, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Punisher

Yeah, Rosebowls aren't fancy enough for ya?

Naw they are nice consolation prizes but I know out at USC you guys have the same objective as they do at Alabama, Texas, Ohio State etc.

SickwithIt1010 · 02-08-2013, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeJoeBrown

Sooooooo.... You are validating his point by agreeing that there were no NCs.

Got it.

My point is that that were title caliber teams. I stand by it that 2008 USC goes into that title game and makes Tebow and the Gators cry...

pierce2walker · 02-08-2013, 06:47 PM

DG and bf_51 bring up a great point in that its hard to put a lot of stock into who we are told are the "best recruiting classes" year in and year out. The guys the top schools go after get a lot more attention. Now, I'm not saying these schools don't know what they are doing, but we see every year that a lot of the best players in college football aren't 5 star guys. This has to do with player development, system, but also the ability of a staff to find talent. If a coaching staff watches a guy play and feels he could be great, who cares what his rating is? I trust a college coaching staff to have faith in a guy a lot more than a scouting site.

JoeJoeBrown · 02-08-2013, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pierce2walker

DG and bf_51 bring up a great point in that its hard to put a lot of stock into who we are told are the "best recruiting classes" year in and year out. The guys the top schools go after get a lot more attention. Now, I'm not saying these schools don't know what they are doing, but we see every year that a lot of the best players in college football aren't 5 star guys. This has to do with player development, system, but also the ability of a staff to find talent. If a coaching staff watches a guy play and feels he could be great, who cares what his rating is? I trust a college coaching staff to have faith in a guy a lot more than a scouting site.

Yeah, this happened alot under Tressel at OSU. SantOnio Holmes and AJ Hawk come to mind.

Also this stat:

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@GerdOzone: Using Rivals' ratings, #OSU's 2005 class had 7 enrollees of 3-stars or worse. All 7 have played at least 3 years in the NFL.

brat316 · 02-08-2013, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51

This is a big part of it.

Also, for those of you that are fans of "helmet schools", one thing you don't understand is that 99% of the website's content and attention goes to players those schools are interested in signing because those are the fanbases fanatical/stupid enough to subscribe to something like rivals. Rivals is usually pretty solid in identifying the top 250 players. Beyond that? They don't have a ******* clue because at most they've watched a youtube video or two. Their rankings get really murky beyond that, so if your goal isn't to in the national championship, they are pretty worthless.

true story. Rivals ranked 2* temple commit, gets offered by bigger school and commits, suddenly jumps to high 3*.

Have even seen no start to 3 star hahaha.

draftguru151 · 02-08-2013, 08:17 PM

The fan base one is another thing I forgot about. Also in the past (haven't heard this recently), some coaches get bonuses if they sign so many 4* or have a class ranked a certain way. So either they target players that are 4*, or they "convince" a Rivals guy to give a player a bump. Tons of ways that the rankings a manipulated that have nothing to do how good a player is.

Not even getting into the whole oversigning thing that jacks up rankings. Signing guys that won't qualify etc.

Also could someone explain to me how UNCs class of 2 4* and 15 3* is better than UMs class of 7 4*, 7 3* and a 2*? They also completely left a player our of our class. :/

JoeJoeBrown · 02-08-2013, 08:45 PM

Rankings are derptastic. Like you guys have said, they mostly just parrot offer lists and commits. The services also prop up the players that commit late vs early. Also, they prop up recruits pursued by schools that have fan bases that pay more for the services.

Trust the services top 300 or so.

But mostly, Trust in the coaches and their offer lists.

draftguru151 · 02-08-2013, 08:49 PM

ESPN also hypes up UA game players.

brat316 · 02-08-2013, 08:52 PM

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ESPN also hypes up UA game players.

LOL so true. Prime Time Jr. LULZ, why was he even invited to the game, and then interviewed and mentioned multiple times? He didn't do anything of note, other than be Sander's son.

JoeJoeBrown · 02-08-2013, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by draftguru151

ESPN also hypes up UA game players.

ESPN blows at everything outside of sporting event broadcasting.

draftguru151 · 02-08-2013, 09:03 PM

I think you're giving them too much credit.

wicket · 02-10-2013, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by SickwithIt1010

I'm more worried about Bama than ND at this point.

so happy you were wrong

Babylon · 02-10-2013, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeJoeBrown

ESPN blows at everything outside of sporting event broadcasting.

I actually like their soccer coverage. Being serious.

bearsfan_51 · 02-10-2013, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeJoeBrown

ESPN blows at everything outside of sporting event broadcasting.

Yeah they blow at that too. Their production values are really good; that's about it.

pierce2walker · 02-11-2013, 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Babylon

I actually like their soccer coverage. Being serious.

You like the fact that they forget soccer exists outside of Barca/Real and Messi/CR?

If you are talking about their actual game day coverage I like the fact that they are actually starting to carry the occasional EPL match, but I find their commentators to be a bit meh.

I'll stop talking because this is very off topic.

DcmRulz · 02-13-2013, 11:31 AM

Corn Elder ‏@AIR_CORN23
"Just committed to the university of Miami been my favorite school since I was little #blessed glad this over with"

draftguru151 · 02-13-2013, 04:41 PM

Well that's pretty dang cool. Tennessee guys have some info on him? Dude's got some quicks.

CashmoneyDrew · 02-13-2013, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by draftguru151

Well that's pretty dang cool. Tennessee guys have some info on him? Dude's got some quicks.

Not much. He never really had UT on his radar and they didn't have him on theirs for some reason.

It's said he cares more about basketball than football, even though it's basically universally agreed he's a better football prospect.

Could play corner, running back, or in the slot.

He played at Ensworth which is like literally two miles down the road from my house. Same high school that Antonio Richardson came from. That place is going to become a D1 breeding ground very soon.

Don Vito · 02-13-2013, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by draftguru151

Well that's pretty dang cool. Tennessee guys have some info on him? Dude's got some quicks.

He will play basketball for you guys too. Unreal athlete, Ole Miss wanted him badly. He will probably play corner if I had my guess.

draftguru151 · 02-13-2013, 05:25 PM

Our RB coach is the one that offered so I'm guessing he gets a crack their first.

He's an insane UM fan and committed on the spot this morning without us really recruiting him or him ever visiting. Wish it was always this easy lol.

Punisher · 02-14-2013, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BigJohn98

Whatever helps you sleep.

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Originally Posted by MassNole

He did, after his visit to USC he called FSU and basically firmed up his pledge. Miami was a bigger worry until they basically torched their bridge with him and his coach.

http://usc.247sports.com/Article/5-S...ecision-116622

Josh Newberg: At what point did you know you were going to sign with Florida State?
Matthew Thomas: Well I decided that morning (Signing Day). The night before I was honestly thinking USC. I was trying to get the LOI and everything ready and signed first. But my mom didn't want to sign it. She didn't want me to go to USC.