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Old 02-08-2013, 10:37 AM    (permalink
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I wonder how everyone would feel about this line:

LT - Smith
LG - Livings
C - Berney
RG - Warford
RT - Fluker
Or even

LT - Smith
LG - Warford
C- Bernie
RG - Fluker
RT - Parnell

We would be huge up the middle with two very athletic ends. Personally I like Fluker more-so at guard than tackle. His kick-step is nowhere near what it needs to be to not get blown by speed rushers. If he goes kick out far enough to stonewall a speed rusher he's off-balance to his outer shoulder and vulnerable to a swim move. I'm certainly not saying he can't play RT though. I think he'd be a solid RT but could develop into a perennial pro-bowler at OG.

I thought Jeremy Parnell is going to get first shot at RT this season although I certainly wouldn't be upset with grabbing Fluker and Warford.
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LT - Smith
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C- Bernie
RG - Fluker
RT - Parnell

We would be huge up the middle with two very athletic ends. Personally I like Fluker more-so at guard than tackle. His kick-step is nowhere near what it needs to be to not get blown by speed rushers. If he goes kick out far enough to stonewall a speed rusher he's off-balance to his outer shoulder and vulnerable to a swim move. I'm certainly not saying he can't play RT though. I think he'd be a solid RT but could develop into a perennial pro-bowler at OG.

I thought Jeremy Parnell is going to get first shot at RT this season although I certainly wouldn't be upset with grabbing Fluker and Warford.
I'm not sold on Berney @ C.
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Okay, so I'm thinking through the Dallas 2 defense were moving to...yes it's now the Dallas 2.

Obviously Ware will be playing the DE that splits out a little further and will play the role of that Simeon Rice did. Basically rush the passer and get sacks. So that positions is filled.

The other DE, my thoughts are that maybe Spencer fits this role better than a lot think he will. He's good at setting the edge and good against the run. He'd be able to rush the passer on passing downs and make this money that way. So I'm confident in paying him the money it will take. With that being said, I'd like to see us get a pass rushing specialist for the future. Let's face it, Ware is getting old and Spencer will be 30 soon too. We need some youth at DE.

I just have this feeling we will be weak in the middle @ the DT positions if we choose to work with what we have. I think we have some guys that can play in the Dallas 2, but I'm not sure if we have difference makers.

This is why I hope we can address our IL issues in FA so that we can spend some top picks on DT and also S.
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LT - Smith
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C- Bernie
RG - Fluker
RT - Parnell

We would be huge up the middle with two very athletic ends. Personally I like Fluker more-so at guard than tackle. His kick-step is nowhere near what it needs to be to not get blown by speed rushers. If he goes kick out far enough to stonewall a speed rusher he's off-balance to his outer shoulder and vulnerable to a swim move. I'm certainly not saying he can't play RT though. I think he'd be a solid RT but could develop into a perennial pro-bowler at OG.

I thought Jeremy Parnell is going to get first shot at RT this season although I certainly wouldn't be upset with grabbing Fluker and Warford.
Is Fluker much different than Loadholt was coming out?
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I wonder how everyone would feel about this line:

LT - Smith
LG - Livings
C - Berney
RG - Warford
RT - Fluker
I'll tell you what I don't like about that... Bernie is the highest paid player on that line.

I also am not a the biggest fan of Fluker at Tackle. Love LOVE LOVE him at Guard, but he struggles versus speed rushers in space. Put him in the phone both and I think he dominates. Put him on the edge in space.... looks like a 3rd round pick.

But at the end of the day, it's A HELLLLLLLUVA LOT better than what we had last year. Can't hate it if that's what happened.
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I would never say Fluker is light on his feet, but I really don't think he's any less athletic than Loadholt was coming out.
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I would never say Fluker is light on his feet, but I really don't think he's any less athletic than Loadholt was coming out.
I wouldn't say Loadholt has performed like a 1st rounder in his career.
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I thought he was a 2nd rounder?
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I thought he was a 2nd rounder?
Yeah, but you're comparing him to Fluker who is likely a 1st. Sorry for the confusion. Irregardless of draft stock... Fluker at RT will probably be successful. I just like the idea of him at Guard better because I think it masks his weaknesses and plays to his strengths.

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I absolutely love Fluker. I think he's a stud at RT or Guard honestly, not sure where I prefer him. My thing about our line situation is, I think Pernell at RT >>> Bernie/Livings at Guard or Cook at Center. I don't have any stats to back that up at all, and again Pernell isn't a long term fixture at RT at all, but he's really solid and gives us a year.


The interior of our line is terrible. If we took Fluker then Warford next I would be doing back flips. Especially since we could play Fluker at Guard as a rookie then kick him out to RT in year 2 if we need to.
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I absolutely love Fluker. I think he's a stud at RT or Guard honestly, not sure where I prefer him. My thing about our line situation is, I think Pernell at RT >>> Bernie/Livings at Guard or Cook at Center. I don't have any stats to back that up at all, and again Pernell isn't a long term fixture at RT at all, but he's really solid and gives us a year.


The interior of our line is terrible. If we took Fluker then Warford next I would be doing back flips. Especially since we could play Fluker at Guard as a rookie then kick him out to RT in year 2 if we need to.
Fluker in Round 1 as OG and Watson in Round 2 at RT. Saaaweeeeeeet!
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Fluker in Round 1 as OG and Watson in Round 2 at RT. Saaaweeeeeeet!
Two picks on the line to start the draft would be sweet any way you spin it as far as I'm concerned. If we finish the first 2 rounds without any picks on the line I won't have much optimism on the season at all. I just refuse to get the "off season powder fluff story" attitude, and think that just because it's down time that talking about how Bernie, Livings, and Cook need more time and they'll do just fine. It's getting ridiculous, and like I've said before we need better guard play next to Tyron as well and I bet we see huge growth from him.
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Two picks on the line to start the draft would be sweet any way you spin it as far as I'm concerned. If we finish the first 2 rounds without any picks on the line I won't have much optimism on the season at all. I just refuse to get the "off season powder fluff story" attitude, and think that just because it's down time that talking about how Bernie, Livings, and Cook need more time and they'll do just fine. It's getting ridiculous, and like I've said before we need better guard play next to Tyron as well and I bet we see huge growth from him.
Agreed, the worst we can do this year is pretend we go into the draft with no needs. BPA at need positions is where we need to be focused on. Positions where we have JAGs or non-NFL talent starting or in key backup spots, which are RG, C and Safety need to be addressed in the first 3 or 4 rounds.
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Keep hearing mentions of Matt Johnson being in the mix next season as a starter. Team is certainly high on him and I remember why I was too.



Was diving deeper into some of the contracts on the back end and if Barry Church comes back to full health after rupturing his achilles he'll be one of the cheapest starting safeties in the league. He's projected to make 835k next season (vet minimum is 715k).

I would be happy with a highly rated rookie, or a FA signing, Church, and Johnson rocking the two safety spots and cutting Sensy after June 1st when we are certain in what we have giving us an extra 3 million in the process.

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If we get ANYthing from Johnson that would be awesome. In my hopeful mind, I see him as our future SS.
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I'm going to treat him like a rookie this year to be honest. He probably had the most unlucky streak with injuries last season. If he can't stay healthy through camp again he'll go by the AoA-side (ha!). He certainly has the explosive tool-set to be the enforcer in our Dallas-2.

The repeated mention of his name has me hoping he'll be more than a hopeful dream. The talent level of our safeties have been atrocious since Woodson unless you only count hard-hitting and then Roy Williams can have a mention. :/ Just a sad run back there with the Hamlin's, Ball's, and Sensabaugh's of the world.
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Two picks on the line to start the draft would be sweet any way you spin it as far as I'm concerned. If we finish the first 2 rounds without any picks on the line I won't have much optimism on the season at all. I just refuse to get the "off season powder fluff story" attitude, and think that just because it's down time that talking about how Bernie, Livings, and Cook need more time and they'll do just fine. It's getting ridiculous, and like I've said before we need better guard play next to Tyron as well and I bet we see huge growth from him.
I hope we bring in a RT via FA if we wind up cutting Free, at the minimum someone who can challenge Parnell for the job. Perfect world I'd love to see them make a run at Andre Smith but I don't know the specifics of what we're working with cap wise. But he's someone I'd rather spend money on instead of Spencer.

Maybe we could go the OLine route this offseason like we did CB last year, sign Andre and draft Warmack. I didn't make a dream off-season mock in the other thread but that would be mine lol.

And as far as Fluker, I like him but the Flozell comparisons are off (I think Broaddus was the one who started that). Flo had a smoother kick slide and was just a more nimble athlete in general, where I see Fluker having some legit issues with speed rushers off the edge. Yes both could stonewall Ends with their natural massiveness, but Fluker finds himself out of position and reaching more often than Flo did. Wouldn't hate it if we drafted him, just as long we realize what we're getting... a good-great road grader who will need some help from time to time to slow up speed rushers.

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I hope we bring in a RT via FA if we wind up cutting Free, at the minimum someone who can challenge Parnell for the job. Perfect world I'd love to see them make a run at Andre Smith but I don't know the specifics of what we're working with cap wise. But he's someone I'd rather spend money on instead of Spencer.
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And as far as Fluker, I like him but the Flozell comparisons are off (I think Broaddus was the one who started that). Flo had a smoother kick slide and was just a more nimble athlete in general, where I see Fluker having some legit issues with speed rushers off the edge. Yes both could stonewall Ends with their natural massiveness, but Fluker finds himself out of position and reaching more often than Flo did. Wouldn't hate it if we drafted him, just as long we realize what we're getting... a good-great road grader who will need some help from time to time to slow up speed rushers.
Precisely. His kick-slide is gross. When he does it to perfection he's off-balance due to the length he has to slide and is vulnerable to the inside swim. I mean he'd be a monster in the running game especially with an in-line TE beside him but as D said I like him at RT. I love him at OG.

I still rate Cooper well above him especially considering Garrett's fondness for mobility on the line.
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Keep hearing mentions of Matt Johnson being in the mix next season as a starter. Team is certainly high on him and I remember why I was too.



Was diving deeper into some of the contracts on the back end and if Barry Church comes back to full health after rupturing his achilles he'll be one of the cheapest starting safeties in the league. He's projected to make 835k next season (vet minimum is 715k).

I would be happy with a highly rated rookie, or a FA signing, Church, and Johnson rocking the two safety spots and cutting Sensy after June 1st when we are certain in what we have giving us an extra 3 million in the process.
How can you not get excited after watching those highlights?
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Keep hearing mentions of Matt Johnson being in the mix next season as a starter. Team is certainly high on him and I remember why I was too.


Okay. That Matt Johnson video does make me start to get swollen. I must look at him closer. There is no way he is that good.

BTW, I am starting to feel LonghornLegend. He seems to be pushing OL hard. I like this.
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Okay. That Matt Johnson video does make me start to get swollen. I must look at him closer. There is no way he is that good.

BTW, I am starting to feel LonghornLegend. He seems to be pushing OL hard. I like this.
Well, they did keep a spot on 53 for him the whole year. The team sure must think he can play.
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Here's a few free agent targets I'd like to throw out there for consideration.

-Andy Levitre- G- He's a proven guy that is very solid.
-Henry Melton- DT- Fits the Dallas 2 defense to a t
-Michael Johnson- DE- If we cannot lock down Spencer, this could be an option.
-Glover Quin- S- Good size and can cover.
-Reggie Bush- RB- I just wanted to throw him out there. He might come at a good price.
-Terrance Knighton- DT- could play the 1 tech- and his nickname is pot roast
-Justin Durant- LB- Could he play SLB?
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Here's a few free agent targets I'd like to throw out there for consideration.

-Andy Levitre- G- He's a proven guy that is very solid.
-Henry Melton- DT- Fits the Dallas 2 defense to a t
-Michael Johnson- DE- If we cannot lock down Spencer, this could be an option.
-Glover Quin- S- Good size and can cover.
-Reggie Bush- RB- I just wanted to throw him out there. He might come at a good price.
-Terrance Knighton- DT- could play the 1 tech- and his nickname is pot roast
-Justin Durant- LB- Could he play SLB?
I lol'd..And I actually like him more now that I know that, for some reason I do want a DT nicknamed pot roast haha.


The only FA's Im actually worried about are positions of need and guys who will come at a bargain. Seeing the situation we are in I really don't see us making any big splashes what so ever, next year we are closer once we have a few more big contracts off the books, Austin and Ratliff are more then likely for sure gone.
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That's like Corey Grissom from USF's nickname is pork chop lol. As nice as it would be to bring in FA's I think we will be doing a lot of watching even if we find money to spend. We will bring back some roster stuffers and maybe get in the FA's late to pick up someone who isn't signed on the initial wave of interest.

I expect on the Oline to have a combination of Tyron, Livings, Bernie, Parnell and someone drafted to play C/G. I think Spencer is a loss in free agency and the Dline has Hatcher, Ware, Ratliff and either Lissemore or a draft pick starting at DT.
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If we cannot make any solid moves in FA, I'm leaning more and more towards a DT in the first and then going guard in the 2nd.
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