Early top 5 teams for 2013 - Page 2

Bert Macklin · 02-11-2013, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MassNole

Even if it was his offense he is still inept as a play caller which would sorta be his primary responsibility at LSU.

so inept that they averaged more points with him than without him?

next argument please.

Brent · 02-11-2013, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Bert Macklin

so inept that they averaged more points with him than without him?

You mean playoff teams have better defenses and thus allow fewer points? Lies.

draftguru151 · 02-11-2013, 07:52 AM

Wasn't like his offense was something unique or impressive either. Cameron was a nice hire, but there's a reason he got fired in the middle of a title run and is a college OC now. He'll probably be a huge improvement because LSUs offensive schemes have been a joke for a while now, but I wouldn't go around bragging about a Cam Cameron led offense.

MassNole · 02-11-2013, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bert Macklin

so inept that they averaged more points with him than without him?

next argument please.

He's awful as a football coach, this has been established everywhere he has ever been. When LSU sucks on offense despite having more talent than 11 of 14 SEC teams don't be surprised.

SuperPacker · 02-11-2013, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Bert Macklin

you really believe after week 14 they implimented an entirely new offense? they used Cams plays and offense. just someone else called them. you're not dumb so don't play dumb.

this is terrible. you say its his offense and that they won a superbowl with it. the ravens fired him because they didn't think he was good enough to run his own offense. i know you're a massive lsu homer, but c'mon man.

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Originally Posted by Bert Macklin

so inept that they averaged more points with him than without him?

next argument please.

again, terrible. cameron was fired after week 14. so over half of the jim caldwell led games were against playoffs team, IN THE PLAYOFFS. they were playing against better teams.

Bert Macklin · 02-11-2013, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MassNole

He's awful as a football coach, this has been established everywhere he has ever been. When LSU sucks on offense despite having more talent than 11 of 14 SEC teams don't be surprised.

I haven't been surprises since 07 but the numbers show he's a good coach. So I'll post them again. also he got fired because he had philosophical differences with John.

Total Offense / Scoring Offense

San Diego (2002-2006)
2002- 16 / 20
2003- 14 / 16
2004- 10 / 3
2005- 10 / 5
2006- 4 / #1 (30.8 PPG, next closest was Chicago and Indy 26.7)

Dolphins - Head Coach (2007)
2007- 28 / 26
Trent Green was injured forcing Cleo Lemon and John Beck to play QB

Baltimore Ravens (2008-2012)
2008- 19 / 18
2009- 13 / 9
2010- 22 / 16
2011- 15 / 12
2012- 16 / 10

Bert Macklin · 02-11-2013, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

this is terrible. you say its his offense and that they won a superbowl with it. the ravens fired him because they didn't think he was good enough to run his own offense. i know you're a massive lsu homer, but c'mon man

we now live in a world were 25 ppg is terrible got it.

Bert Macklin · 02-11-2013, 08:21 AM

I mean I'm not even in here saying he's great. but he damn sure is better than what most of y'all are saying. its not like he's Gary ******* Crowton.

SuperPacker · 02-11-2013, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bert Macklin

we now live in a world were 25 ppg is terrible got it.

stop it bert, you're making my eyes bleed.

why are you making things up? well i know why, but still. when did i say 25 ppg was terrible?

but anyway, how much of those points can be credited to cameron? give him brady quinn and he will probably average less than 25 points a game. most of how well the offense actually does is based around the quality of the players they have. however, the thing that cam cameron is responsible for is what plays are called and when. the ravens have evaluated him late in the season and decided that he isn't very good at doing that. and then you decide to throw meaningless stats at me and say im acting dumb. ahhhhh.

jrdrylie · 02-11-2013, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Sanders Dreadlock

1 Alabama
2 Ohio State
3 Texas A&M
4 Louisville
5 Florida

Replace Florida with Oregon and your list is the exact same as mine.

Bert Macklin · 02-11-2013, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker

stop it bert, you're making my eyes bleed.

why are you making things up? well i know why, but still. when did i say 25 ppg was terrible?

but anyway, how much of those points can be credited to cameron? give him brady quinn and he will probably average less than 25 points a game. most of how well the offense actually does is based around the quality of the players they have. however, the thing that cam cameron is responsible for is what plays are called and when. the ravens have evaluated him late in the season and decided that he isn't very good at doing that. and then you decide to throw meaningless stats at me and say im acting dumb. ahhhhh.

replace Brees with Chase Daniel and we aren't near as good. PAYTON SUCKS WITHOUT BREES.

if stats were meaningless they wouldn't keep them. and throwing out an offensive coordinator's offensive rank and ppg are meaningless? really?

MassNole · 02-11-2013, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Bert Macklin

I haven't been surprises since 07 but the numbers show he's a good coach. So I'll post them again. also he got fired because he had philosophical differences with John.

Total Offense / Scoring Offense

San Diego (2002-2006)
2002- 16 / 20
2003- 14 / 16
2004- 10 / 3
2005- 10 / 5
2006- 4 / #1 (30.8 PPG, next closest was Chicago and Indy 26.7)

Dolphins - Head Coach (2007)
2007- 28 / 26
Trent Green was injured forcing Cleo Lemon and John Beck to play QB

Baltimore Ravens (2008-2012)
2008- 19 / 18
2009- 13 / 9
2010- 22 / 16
2011- 15 / 12
2012- 16 / 10

So as your justification you use his time in San Diego when they were best known for their regular season success and then choked when it mattered most. Cameron is yet another in Miles long line of OC failures since he lost Jimbo.

Bert Macklin · 02-11-2013, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MassNole

So as your justification you use his time in San Diego when they were best known for their regular season success and then choked when it mattered most. Cameron is yet another in Miles long line of OC failures since he lost Jimbo.

draftguru151 · 02-11-2013, 09:16 AM

Norv ran the offense in SD. His last job his HC and QB didn't like him and he was fired midseason, the job before that he failed epically and was fired after one year. Cameron will probably do well at LSU, but he's been a failure at his last 2 stops so hyping him up before he's even coached at LSU is fairly premature. At least wait till spring ball to see what he does.

Bert Macklin · 02-11-2013, 09:59 AM

he wasn't a failure at SD. far from it.

MassNole · 02-11-2013, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by draftguru151

Norv ran the offense in SD. His last job his HC and QB didn't like him and he was fired midseason, the job before that he failed epically and was fired after one year. Cameron will probably do well at LSU, but he's been a failure at his last 2 stops so hyping him up before he's even coached at LSU is fairly premature. At least wait till spring ball to see what he does.

Norv and Cameron had no overlap in San Diego.

Cameron was his QB Coach at Washington where he made Heath Shuler one of the biggest busts in Draft history though.

MassNole · 02-11-2013, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Bert Macklin

he wasn't a failure at SD. far from it.

Until the post season came around when he was a tremendous failure.

Bert Macklin · 02-11-2013, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MassNole

Until the post season came around when he was a tremendous failure.

guess Romo's career is considered a huge failure.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock · 02-11-2013, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jrdrylie

Replace Florida with Oregon and your list is the exact same as mine.

I thought about that but i am hesitant to put them that high without Chip Kelly

MassNole · 02-11-2013, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Bert Macklin

guess Romo's career is considered a huge failure.

Bobby Layne · 02-18-2013, 08:13 PM

1. TAMU
2. Alabama
3. Stanford
4. Oregon
5. UGA

SickwithIt1010 · 02-18-2013, 08:17 PM

According to Massnole Jimbo is the G.O.A.T....Like jesus, suck his dick more.

soybean · 02-18-2013, 08:52 PM

Guess what team has the easiest strength of schedule in the SEC next year.

Such bullsh**.

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/201...schedule-2013/

No Florida, Georgia, or South Carolina AGAIN.

CashmoneyDrew · 02-18-2013, 09:14 PM

Kind of surprised UT is low on that list considering we have to go to Alabama and Oregon. That's brutal.

TheRubberDuck45 · 02-20-2013, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by soybean

Guess what team has the easiest strength of schedule in the SEC next year.

Such bullsh**.

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/201...schedule-2013/

No Florida, Georgia, or South Carolina AGAIN.

Its called a rotating schedule. Bama will get them in a few years and someone will be bitching about another teams SOS.