New York Giants Discussion

[Rosebud]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

I'm not a fan of Jones bc he's a 3rd contract player. Unless those guys are dirt cheap, I'm typically not interested.

If he was worth value he'd stay in Seattle. I rather have Pot Roast honestly, and have 2 jumbo guys inside to stop the run.

I get that, which is why I wouldn't give him a big contract, but I think he's a guy that needs a change of scenery and some better luck with his health to get back to where he was. If we get him with a reasonable deal I'd be excited to see what happens.

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by Rosebud

I get that, which is why I wouldn't give him a big contract, but I think he's a guy that needs a change of scenery and some better luck with his health to get back to where he was. If we get him with a reasonable deal I'd be excited to see what happens.

We don't have good luck with injuries though. Do we really want an injury prone player? I don't think coming here would magically heal him. If anything he'd get worse.

I've long been critical of our S&C coach. Our TC injuries are atypical and he constantly gets a pass.

[Giantsfan1080]

We've had a ton of injuries before Coughlin also and that was a different S&C coach. It has nothing to do with that.

[LonghornsLegend]

Originally Posted by BigBlueNorwegian

I'm with you Forenci. Beatty was one of the few bright spots on our team last year. One of the few guys who performed better in 2012 than 2011. I think we should offer him a new contract. We have enough overrated bums worthy of cutting(looking at you Tuck and Diehl) to let one of the few good,young players leave.

We need to be smart about where we spend our money this offseason. And Beatty is a good investment provided he doesn't demand to be payed like a top left tackle. I suspect we can get him a bit cheaper this year than we normally would, because of the strong FA Tackle class.

This is good to hear Beatty at least looked solid. I wanted him pretty bad that year as a developmental LT, I knew he needed to add some strength and punch to his frame, but I thought the technique was there. If he keeps the starting gig I'll be keeping an eye on him this year.

[bigbluedefense]

Well the point remains, we dont do good with injuries. I just hate grabbing injury prone guys.

Randy Starks and Richard Seymour are 2 guys that I would be interested in for the right price.

[bigbluedefense]

Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

This is good to hear Beatty at least looked solid. I wanted him pretty bad that year as a developmental LT, I knew he needed to add some strength and punch to his frame, but I thought the technique was there. If he keeps the starting gig I'll be keeping an eye on him this year.

Beatty has been a good pass protector. He offers zilch in the run game but he was solid in pass pro.

He's not what I consider a franchise LT, but considering those type of guys cost a fortune, I like what Beatty brings to the table in the sense that he protects your qb for the most part (he's good, not great) and won't cost an arm and a leg to keep around (I hope).

[bigbluedefense]

I wonder how much Seymour would cost. He still has some left in the tank. Imagine if we can squeeze out another 2 years out of Seymour, and draft Ansah?

You'd have JPP/Seymour/Joseph/Ansah

That would be sex. Lots of sex. That's if Seymour was affordable and still has some juice left in the tank. I didn't really see him slow down lately though, he was still very good in Oakland.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

I wonder how much Seymour would cost. He still has some left in the tank. Imagine if we can squeeze out another 2 years out of Seymour, and draft Ansah?

You'd have JPP/Seymour/Joseph/Ansah

That would be sex. Lots of sex. That's if Seymour was affordable and still has some juice left in the tank. I didn't really see him slow down lately though, he was still very good in Oakland.

I am not sure how much he has in the tank. We have Rodgers so let's see what he can do with a year off. I am not sure about Ansah, but if he is BPA fine by me. I just think teams have adjusted to the way we play. Also, what happens with Tuck and Kiwi then?

As for Cruz, he has no leverage but what can he do in the meantime? Hold out? If we know for a fact he is not in our long term future, do we add more JJ in and see what he can do. In a slow effort phase Cruz out. Sure, we'd still throw to him, but perhaps go 4 Wide, and have Cruz and JJ in the slot, and see how JJ does now. We need to see if he has the mental part of being a WR, or why waste a roster spot? We should have taken this stance with Beckum, and Barden.

Maybe the dolphins will release Douglas and we can bring him back.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

T2 signed a new contract for 2013 season. So he comes back. Not sure how I feel about this. Does Hixon get re-signed as well? I don't want to collect hurt players. Same with Rodgers and his blot clot issue. Is that a one time deal? What's the risk of it happening again? Still skeptical of all these guys coming back strong.

[Giantsfan1080]

Thomas is a no risk deal at this point. Anything he gives us would be a bonus. It's not like the team is going to avoid bringing in depth and talent because Thomas is back.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Yes but he takes a roster spot from someone younger, cheaper, and healthier.

[Big_Pete]

What about Desmond Bryant (raiders) as a free agent DT?

He did pretty well stepping in for Seymour.

As for MLB what about Brad Jones (packers). He is very raw but he is an effective three down player.

[Big_Pete]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Thomas is a no risk deal at this point. Anything he gives us would be a bonus. It's not like the team is going to avoid bringing in depth and talent because Thomas is back.

There was the small matter of a $6m option bonus due shortly and I think his scheduled cap number is so where around $3.5m

Seems to me to be quite a bit of financial investment that is better spent on other, healthier players.

I haven't seen the numbers or heard about his deal but it sounds reasonable.

Considering Reese has already mentioned Thomas may need to move to safety, does this have implications for Phillips?

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by NY+Giants=NYG

Yes but he takes a roster spot from someone younger, cheaper, and healthier.

He may not even make the team. He's not guaranteed a roster spot.

[Giantsfan1080]

Originally Posted by Big_Pete

There was the small matter of a $6m option bonus due shortly and I think his scheduled cap number is so where around $3.5m

Seems to me to be quite a bit of financial investment that is better spent on other, healthier players.

I haven't seen the numbers or heard about his deal but it sounds reasonable.

Considering Reese has already mentioned Thomas may need to move to safety, does this have implications for Phillips?

There was a bonus due but the Giants terminated that contract quietly as the media never reported that. The 1 year deal he signed today is a new contract and I'm sure the cap hit is minimal no matter what. I don't think this reflects on what they do with Phillips at all. It's just an added bonus if it looks like he can still play.

[Rosebud]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

Well the point remains, we dont do good with injuries. I just hate grabbing injury prone guys.

Randy Starks and Richard Seymour are 2 guys that I would be interested in for the right price.

Jones was healthy for the Tits, I think he may have just been unlucky with a couple fluke injuries in Seattle. If they came cheap I would be for Starks and Seymour to. Just a question of who we can get for a reasonable price. Kinda like the FA OL pool, if we can snag someone for a good rate, that'd be awesome, if not, there's still the draft.

[Big_Pete]

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense

I wonder how much Seymour would cost. He still has some left in the tank. Imagine if we can squeeze out another 2 years out of Seymour, and draft Ansah?

You'd have JPP/Seymour/Joseph/Ansah

That would be sex. Lots of sex. That's if Seymour was affordable and still has some juice left in the tank. I didn't really see him slow down lately though, he was still very good in Oakland.

I wouldn't mind Richard Seymour and/or Casey Hampton if we can get them at reasonable prices. They can contribute and would be good mentors for our young dts

[Rosebud]

Casey Hampton's totally superfluous as Rogers already fills the role of huge, fat, useless and washed up DT that gets hurt in camp.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

He may not even make the team. He's not guaranteed a roster spot.

Then that's fine. The odds are stacked against him coming back from a 3rd ACL in his football career spanning USC to Pros. Now he may have to play safety, and be better than the guys who played the position since college.

[scottyboy]

Seymour could be an interesting case of a guy getting rejuvenated on a winning team and doing well

[Big_Pete]

I would still prefer Desmond Bryant at DT, he may be able to play LDE as well

He is 6-6, 311

He is pretty durable (playing in 63 out of 64 games). In the last two years he has started 18 games and has 9 sacks. Being on the Raiders' Dline you know he hasn't had much help.

I think he could be the type of guy who would be an asset on the team and shouldn't break the bank.

[scottyboy]

i think if we tanked next year and got Clowney it would all totally be worth it

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Clowney is supposed to be a head case I read. I am not sure if that's true and he has issues but that would worry me. Also, it would be a waste of Eli's prime playing those games of tanking. I still want to learn more about Clowney.

[Rosebud]

The only way we could tank that high, is if Eli got hurt, so if that happens I'm not against it.

[Big_Pete]

I don't want us to tank no matter what the situation

why do we need Clowney? lets just take the best player on our draft board as always