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Angels lineup is scary, but they need to make a move for another arm, because unless Hanson returns to form I do not like their staff after Weaver.
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BA Top 100 Prospects:

1. Jurickson Profar, ss/2b, TEX
2. Dylan Bundy, rhp, BAL
3. Oscar Taveras, of, STL
4. Wil Myers, of/3b, TB
5. Jose Fernandez, rhp, FLA
6. Shelby Miller, rhp, STL
7. Gerrit Cole, rhp, PIT
8. Xander Bogaerts, ss, BOS
9. Miguel Sano, 3b, MIN
10. Byron Buxton, of, MIN
11. Zack Wheeler, rhp, NYM
12. Tyler Skaggs, lhp, ARI
13. Carlos Correa, ss, HOU
14. Trevor Bauer, rhp, CLE
15. Christian Yelich, of, FLA
16. Javier Baez, ss, CHC
17. Mike Zunino, c, SEA
18. Taijuan Walker, rhp, SEA
19. Jameson Taillon, rhp, PIT
20. Billy Hamilton, of/ss, CIN
21. Nick Castellanos, of/3b, DET
22. Mike Olt, 3b/1b, TEX
23. Travis d'Arnaud, c, NYM
24. Kyle Zimmer, rhp, KC
25. Archie Bradley, rhp, ARI
26. Kevin Gausman, rhp, BAL
27. Jonathan Singleton, 1b/of, HOU
28. Francisco Lindor, ss, CLE
29. Danny Hultzen, lhp, SEA
30. Anthony Rendon, 3b, WAS
31. Jackie Bradley, of, BOS
32. Mason Williams, of, NYY
33. Albert Almora, of, CHC
34. Jorge Soler, of, CHC
35. Bubba Starling, of, KC
36. Chris Archer, rhp, TB
37. George Springer, of, HOU
38. Carlos Martinez, rhp, STL
39. Trevor Rosenthal, rhp, STL
40. Matt Barnes, rhp, BOS
41. Oswaldo Arcia, of, MIN
42. Hyun-Jin Ryu, lhp, LAD
43. Andrew Heaney, lhp, FLA
44. Julio Teheran, rhp, ATL
45. Casey Kelly, rhp, SD
46. Max Fried, lhp, SD
47. Yasiel Puig, of, LAD
48. Addison Russell, ss, OAK
49. Allen Webster, rhp, BOS
50. Lance McCullers, rhp, HOU
51. Gregory Polanco, of, PIT
52. Nolan Arenado, 3b, COL
53. David Dahl, of, COL
54. Noah Syndergaard, rhp, NYM
55. Courtney Hawkins, of, CWS
56. Robert Stephenson, rhp, CIN
57. Gary Sanchez, c, NYY
58. Austin Hedges, c, SD
59. Alex Meyer, rhp, MIN
60. Kaleb Cowart, 3b, LAA
61. Alen Hanson, ss, PIT
62. Taylor Guerrieri, rhp, TB
63. Slade Heathcott, of, NYY
64. Jake Marisnick, of, FLA
65. Aaron Sanchez, rhp, TOR
66. Kyle Crick, rhp, SF
67. Lucas Giolito, rhp, WAS
68. Kyle Gibson, rhp, MIN
69. Wily Peralta, rhp, MIL
70. Brian Goodwin, of, WAS
71. Jedd Gyorko, 3b/2b, SD
72. Aaron Hicks, of, MIN
73. Adam Eaton, of, ARI
74. Avisail Garcia, of, DET
75. Marcell Ozuna, of, FLA
76. Michael Wacha, rhp, STL
77. Tyler Austin, of, NYY
78. Luis Heredia, rhp, PIT
79. Nick Franklin, ss/2b, SEA
80. Didi Gregorius, ss, ARI
81. Martin Perez, lhp, TEX
82. Tony Cingrani, lhp, CIN
83. Arodys Vizcaino, rhp, CHC
84. Kolten Wong, 2b, STL
85. Yordano Ventura, rhp, KC
86. Justin Nicolino, lhp, FLA
87. James Paxton, lhp, SEA
88. Matt Davidson, 3b, ARI
89. Jesse Biddle, lhp, PHI
90. Hak-Ju Lee, ss, TB
91. Henry Owens, lhp, BOS
92. Jake Odorizzi, rhp, TB
93. J.R. Graham, rhp, ATL
94. Daniel Corcino, rhp, CIN
95. Bruce Rondon, rhp, DET
96. Trevor Story, ss/3b, COL
97. Leonys Martin, of, TEX
98. Marcus Stroman, rhp, TOR
99. Delino DeShields, 2b, HOU
100. Roman Quinn, ss, PHI
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I honestly don't think Profar belongs at the top. Too much hype.
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How so? A SS that can hit and above average fielder?
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Profar is a damn good prospect, but I do prefer Bundy.
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Two Cards in the top 6. I like it!

Also, Wacha is going to be top 20 for next year.
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I really wish the Phillies had the ability to restock the system.
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Eh, I always believe in ranking the elite hitting prospects over the pitching prospects. Much less health risk involved
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I feel like there is a lot of reaching with Profar. Anytime there is a young SS who can hit at all, the scouts just lose their ****. The success rate on those I just feel isn't that great. Most either end up not hitting enough or have to move positions. Is Profar going to start back in AA?
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I feel like there is a lot of reaching with Profar. Anytime there is a young SS who can hit at all, the scouts just lose their ****. The success rate on those I just feel isn't that great. Most either end up not hitting enough or have to move positions. Is Profar going to start back in AA?
He has all the tools in the world and the production to back it up. Throw in positional value and of course he's going to be hyped. He'll probably go to AAA.
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He has all the tools in the world and the production to back it up. Throw in positional value and of course he's going to be hyped. He'll probably go to AAA.
I'd send him back to AA. No reason to continue to rush him when you are the Rangers. Let him just absolutely destroy AA before promoting him.
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I'm outraged that DAN VOGELBACH isn't on the list

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I'd send him back to AA. No reason to continue to rush him when you are the Rangers. Let him just absolutely destroy AA before promoting him.
He already put up a .281/.368/.452 slash line with a .364 wOBA and 127wRC+ there so he pretty much did destroy it already. I don't see what the point would be for him to repeat.
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He already put up a .281/.368/.452 slash line with a .364 wOBA and 127wRC+ there so he pretty much did destroy it already. I don't see what the point would be for him to repeat.
Do you know how to calculate wRC+?
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Do you know how to calculate wRC+?
No I personally don't know how to calculate it but I know how it's calculated and it's a good stat to use. You like OPS+ right? wRC+ is basically the same thing but better because everything is weighted more correctly. Regardless I know what the baselines are for using these stats also and they help tell the story more correctly.
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No I personally don't know how to calculate it but I know how it's calculated and it's a good stat to use. You like OPS+ right? wRC+ is basically the same thing but better because everything is weighted more correctly. Regardless I know what the baselines are for using these stats also and they help tell the story more correctly.
How do you know that they tell the story more correctly when you don't know how they are calculating the story? How do you know it's weighted more correctly? Of course when you rank the top 30 players by wRC+ you are going to get all the best players in the league, but same thing with OPS+. And I'm guessing you've only seen Profar in the minors maybe once or twice, if at all, so you don't even have a personal view to compare it to.
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I don't really understand what your point is here, Jug. Why are you trying to harp on wRC+ and Profar in general?
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I don't really understand what your point is here, Jug. Why are you trying to harp on wRC+ and Profar in general?
Nothing about Profar in particular. I was jsut agreeing with D-Unit that I think he might be a tad overhyped. All these shortstops get overhyped and rarely live up to it. I just don't think a strong team like Texas should rush him. No need to. And I'm really just busting GF's ball about wRC+ because I knew he had no idea how to calculate it. Rarely anyone does. Its just the newest and coolest number people try to be the first to throw around on the internet. Everyone trying to use a different "best" way to quantify baseball when they have no idea how any of it is calculated.
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SS's and catcher's get overhyped usually because of how weak the production is at those positions

keep in mind to, these rankings take into account defensive ability. A very good defensive SS who can swing the bat will be very high on prospect lists, considering SS is a premium defensive position. Same goes with catcher

A toolsy OFer is a dime a dozen in the minors. A SS who can field and can hit for average and at least average power + steal bases at an above average rate is pretty rare, hence why they would be so highly ranked
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Nothing about Profar in particular. I was jsut agreeing with D-Unit that I think he might be a tad overhyped. All these shortstops get overhyped and rarely live up to it. I just don't think a strong team like Texas should rush him. No need to. And I'm really just busting GF's ball about wRC+ because I knew he had no idea how to calculate it. Rarely anyone does. Its just the newest and coolest number people try to be the first to throw around on the internet. Everyone trying to use a different "best" way to quantify baseball when they have no idea how any of it is calculated.
It's just based off of wOBA, which weights OBP on a heavier scale than slugging percentage. It's not exactly a complicated stat.
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SS's and catcher's get overhyped usually because of how weak the production is at those positions

keep in mind to, these rankings take into account defensive ability. A very good defensive SS who can swing the bat will be very high on prospect lists, considering SS is a premium defensive position. Same goes with catcher

A toolsy OFer is a dime a dozen in the minors. A SS who can field and can hit for average and at least average power + steal bases at an above average rate is pretty rare, hence why they would be so highly ranked
I obviously get all that. I'd just rank Bundy and Myers over him. I'll take the power pitcher or the 40 HRs, but that's just me. I also think people drool over the Rangers now so a lot of their prospects are overhyped.
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I think Profar is the real deal, but I've never been sold on Mike Olt or Martin Perez. At least Perez stock seems to be fading. Dude's K rate has just dipped with every jump he's made. Not a good trend

Myers reminds me a lot of Matt Holliday
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Nothing about Profar in particular. I was jsut agreeing with D-Unit that I think he might be a tad overhyped. All these shortstops get overhyped and rarely live up to it. I just don't think a strong team like Texas should rush him. No need to. And I'm really just busting GF's ball about wRC+ because I knew he had no idea how to calculate it. Rarely anyone does. Its just the newest and coolest number people try to be the first to throw around on the internet. Everyone trying to use a different "best" way to quantify baseball when they have no idea how any of it is calculated.
I've been quoting it for like 3 years now so this isn't a new development. Like I said I know how it's calculated and what goes into it. It doesn't matter that I can't sit at my computer and do it myself though. I know the basis behind the stat and using logic I like how it's calculated.

As for Profar yeah I've only actually seen him play a few times but what does that mean? We all go off scouting reports and stats for minor leaguers. How do you know Myers will hit 40 HR's? when you've only seen him once or twice. Oh right, the same way I like what Profar has done.
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I just don't like the idea that the top prospect isn't a power hitter.
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I just don't like the idea that the top prospect isn't a power hitter.
Well that's fine you should have just stated that originally.
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