Draft Countdown Forums

Go Back   Draft Countdown Forums > Draft Countdown Forums > Team Boards > San Francisco 49ers Team Forum

San Francisco 49ers Team Forum Discuss the 49ers

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 02-20-2013, 09:08 AM    (permalink
Madirishman
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,442
Reputation: 88597
Madirishman is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Madirishman is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Madirishman is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Madirishman is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Madirishman is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Madirishman is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Madirishman is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Madirishman is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Madirishman is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Madirishman is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Madirishman is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Yeah, I was one of the people who wanted Boykin last year, especially when he fell a little bit, but the Niners had picks when he was expected to go and passed. Baalke has been quoted as liking average to bigger CB's and not liking to take them early in the Draft. I'm wondering if he'll make an exception to try and add depth at the slot CB competition.
__________________


Three NFC Conference Championship appearances in Harbaugh's First 3 Years
Operation 2014 Super Bowl Champions: In Progress with an amazing looking Draft class


"He who thinks he knows it all has the most to learn"
Madirishman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2013, 12:09 PM    (permalink
VAfy-ya
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 2,730
Reputation: 321397
VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Madirishman View Post
Yeah, I was one of the people who wanted Boykin last year, especially when he fell a little bit, but the Niners had picks when he was expected to go and passed. Baalke has been quoted as liking average to bigger CB's and not liking to take them early in the Draft. I'm wondering if he'll make an exception to try and add depth at the slot CB competition.
I doubt it. And I think that formula actually works. I think you only take CBs in the first who are insanely gifted as cover men or who are physically freakish. I learned my lesson from Kyle Wilson. Good-average physical traits and very good skills sometimes don't translate. Guys like Patrick Peterson are rare physically, along with great cover skills so they should be drafted accordingly. As much as I like a guy like Millner, I wouldn't necessarily want us spending a high-mid first on him. He has good physical traits and is very good cover guy. But that's kind of hit and miss, depending on the scheme and the player. Amakaura is a good example. He came on last year once he got healthy and played decent so his future is still bright but would anyone be happy if he were the pick, at #7 where most ppl had him slotted to go? For my money, we took a better talent in Cully, two rounds later. There are guys I like who may not have Millner's profile or production, or are a little more raw, but match-up to him physically and skill wise. And those guys are the guys I think Baalke looks to pluck from right under team's noses in the 3rd and beyond. He did it with Bowman. He did it with Cully. Different position, but same mentality.

Last edited by VAfy-ya : 02-20-2013 at 06:19 PM.
VAfy-ya is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2013, 03:30 PM    (permalink
phlysac
All-Pro
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 8,598
Reputation: 1846834
phlysac is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.phlysac is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.phlysac is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.phlysac is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.phlysac is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.phlysac is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.phlysac is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.phlysac is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.phlysac is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.phlysac is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.phlysac is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by farfromforgotten View Post
I liked Boykin from Georgia last year and I think you may have too, if I'm remembering correctly. I believe Boykin is 5'9 as well and weighed in close to 185 lbs. Also considered very physical for his size. Boykin has good return skills, which was also a plus.

I don't much about Alford right now. Do you like him better than Boykin last year?
Very similar, actually. I had a crush on Boykin and I haven't seen nearly as much from Alford but I've really liked what I've seen. He's physical and has a great COD. I'm not certain how consistent his pedal is.

He also has return skills.
__________________
phlysac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2013, 04:36 PM    (permalink
Madirishman
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,442
Reputation: 88597
Madirishman is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Madirishman is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Madirishman is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Madirishman is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Madirishman is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Madirishman is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Madirishman is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Madirishman is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Madirishman is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Madirishman is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Madirishman is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by VAfy-ya View Post
I doubt it. And I think that formula actually works. I think you only take CBs in the first who are insanely gifted as cover men or who are physically freakish. I learned my lesson from Kyle Wilson. Good-average physical traits and very good skills sometimes don't translate. Guys like Patrick Peterson are rare physically, along with great cover skills so they should be drafted accordingly. As much as I like a guy like Millner, I wouldn't necessarily want us spending a high-mid first on him. He has good physical traits and is very good cover guy. But that's kind of hit and miss, depending on the scheme and the player. Amakaura is a good example. He came one last year and played decent so his future is still bright but would anyone be happy if he were the pick, at #7 where most ppl had him slotted to go? For my money, we took a better talent in Cully, two rounds later. There are guys I like who may not have Millner profile or production, or are a little more raw, but match-up to him physically and skill wise. And those guys are the guys I think Baalke looks to pluck from right under team's noses in the 3rd and beyond. He did it with Bowman. He did it with Cully. Different position, but same mentality.
PP was the exception, I agree. Revis was taken middle of the first (14th) and Champ Bailey was taken Top 10 (7th overall) but there have been numerous guys taken in the first (you eluded to a few though I would say the jury is still a little out on Amukumra) that haven't been that awesome. I've noticed that a lot of good corners (and WRs) are often taken in the second and third rounds.

I highly expect them to Draft AT LEAST 1 CB, if not multiple, bit it remains to be seen how high they will use a pick on that position. In Harbaalke I trust, so whatever their philosophy for this off season ends up being, I'm on board.
__________________


Three NFC Conference Championship appearances in Harbaugh's First 3 Years
Operation 2014 Super Bowl Champions: In Progress with an amazing looking Draft class


"He who thinks he knows it all has the most to learn"
Madirishman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2013, 05:12 PM    (permalink
dan77733
All-Pro
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 5,675
Reputation: 106395
dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Position wise, I have the 49ers taking two cornerbacks with the later one being Mathieu.
dan77733 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2013, 05:39 PM    (permalink
Brent
TomTom Out
Legend
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 25,930
Reputation: 4784354
Brent is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Brent is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Brent is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Brent is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Brent is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Brent is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Brent is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Brent is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Brent is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Brent is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Brent is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dan77733 View Post
Position wise, I have the 49ers taking two cornerbacks with the later one being Mathieu.
his size is pretty much the opposite of what the team has drafted in recent years.
__________________

Pick the Winners Champion 2008 | 2011
Brent is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2013, 06:17 PM    (permalink
Borat
All-NFLDC
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: The NFC West. Where people play defense.
Posts: 11,072
Reputation: 2476768
Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Brandon Boykin received a rose from me during my final 2012 49er draft predictions.
__________________


I'm sorry Brian Sabean. I was wrong. I think I might have been right, but you have Scoreboard.
Borat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2013, 06:27 PM    (permalink
VAfy-ya
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 2,730
Reputation: 321397
VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Brent is absolutely correct. Guys like Brock, who are a little smaller physically than what we draft, we usually go after as UDFAs. But we rarely spend draft picks on those players. Curtis Holcomb maybe you could categorize on the smaller size. As a 7th round pick, he was measured at 5'10, 190 lbs when he was drafted. And that's not even that small.
VAfy-ya is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2013, 07:01 PM    (permalink
VAfy-ya
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 2,730
Reputation: 321397
VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Fun Fact :

Quote:
According to Pro Football Focus, Kaepernick tied for seventh (76.0) in “accuracy percentage” in 2012. PFF accounts for dropped passes, throw aways, spiked balls, batted passes and passes thrown as the quarterback was hit in measuring accuracy percentage.

In another relevant stat, deep-passing accuracy, Kaepernick ranked first (60.6) and among quarterbacks with at least 30 downfield attempts of at least 20 yards.
Future so bright, gotta wear shades. And I love the fact that he turned down invitations to both the Grammy's and Oscar's to workout. He was quoted as saying, 'they should get Flaaco to do those engagements, he's the SB winning QB. I still have work to do.' How can you not love this kid?

Last edited by VAfy-ya : 02-20-2013 at 07:08 PM.
VAfy-ya is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2013, 07:32 PM    (permalink
farfromforgotten
Veteran
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 1,949
Reputation: 490739
farfromforgotten is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.farfromforgotten is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.farfromforgotten is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.farfromforgotten is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.farfromforgotten is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.farfromforgotten is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.farfromforgotten is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.farfromforgotten is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.farfromforgotten is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.farfromforgotten is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.farfromforgotten is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by VAfy-ya View Post
Fun Fact :



Future so bright, gotta wear shades. And I love the fact that he turned down invitations to both the Grammy's and Oscar's to workout. He was quoted as saying, 'they should get Flaaco to do those engagements, he's the SB winning QB. I still have work to do.' How can you not love this kid?
That's good **** right there. Thanks for sharing. And, as I always say, the future is bright.
farfromforgotten is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-20-2013, 07:39 PM    (permalink
dan77733
All-Pro
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 5,675
Reputation: 106395
dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brent View Post
his size is pretty much the opposite of what the team has drafted in recent years.
True but I love his ability to cause turnovers and for a 4th round draft pick, he's worth the risk in my opinion.
dan77733 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 01:24 AM    (permalink
Shupp
Veteran
 
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Castro Valley, CA
Posts: 1,664
Reputation: 51452
Shupp is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Shupp is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Shupp is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Shupp is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Shupp is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Shupp is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Shupp is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Shupp is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Shupp is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Shupp is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Shupp is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

I hate seeing Bailey mocked to us in round 2, I see no explosiveness nor upside with Bailey. I wants nothing to do with him.
__________________


Quote:
Originally Posted by VAfy-ya:The lack of ignorance in this thread is alarming.
Shupp is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 07:34 AM    (permalink
farfromforgotten
Veteran
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 1,949
Reputation: 490739
farfromforgotten is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.farfromforgotten is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.farfromforgotten is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.farfromforgotten is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.farfromforgotten is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.farfromforgotten is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.farfromforgotten is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.farfromforgotten is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.farfromforgotten is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.farfromforgotten is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.farfromforgotten is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shupp View Post
I hate seeing Bailey mocked to us in round 2, I see no explosiveness nor upside with Bailey. I wants nothing to do with him.
Where do you see him being mocked to us in the 2nd? Scott has us taking Hunter in the 2nd in his latest mock.
farfromforgotten is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 03:09 PM    (permalink
YAYareaRB
All-NFLDC
 
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 11,254
Reputation: 496749
YAYareaRB is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.YAYareaRB is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.YAYareaRB is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.YAYareaRB is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.YAYareaRB is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.YAYareaRB is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.YAYareaRB is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.YAYareaRB is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.YAYareaRB is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.YAYareaRB is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.YAYareaRB is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

2/21 Mock Draft (should we get a thread going?

1. First round, No. 31: Jesse Williams NT, Alabama
2. Second round, No. 31: Barrett Jones C, Alabama
3. Third round, No. 12: Darius Slay CB, Mississippi State
4. Third round, No 31 DJ Swearinger S, South Carolina
5. Fourth round, No. 31: William Gholston DE, Michigan State
6. Fifth round, No. 24: Chris Gragg TE, Arkansas
7. Fifth round, No. 31: Corey Fuller WR, Virginia Tech
8. Sixth round, No. 12: Matt Scott QB, Arizona
9. Sixth round, No. 31: Ty Powell OLB, Harding University
10. Seventh round, No. 21: Dustin Hopkins K, Florida State
11. Seventh round, No. 31: Brandon Kaufman WR, Eastern Washington

49ers are expecting 3 more comp picks. 1 7th round pick and 2 3rd round picks for a total of 14 picks.
__________________


YAYareaRB is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 03:32 PM    (permalink
Menardo75
All-Pro
 
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 6,182
Reputation: 225875
Menardo75 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Menardo75 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Menardo75 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Menardo75 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Menardo75 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Menardo75 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Menardo75 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Menardo75 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Menardo75 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Menardo75 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Menardo75 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by YAYareaRB View Post
2/21 Mock Draft (should we get a thread going?

1. First round, No. 31: Jesse Williams NT, Alabama
2. Second round, No. 31: Barrett Jones C, Alabama
3. Third round, No. 12: Darius Slay CB, Mississippi State
4. Third round, No 31 DJ Swearinger S, South Carolina
5. Fourth round, No. 31: William Gholston DE, Michigan State
6. Fifth round, No. 24: Chris Gragg TE, Arkansas
7. Fifth round, No. 31: Corey Fuller WR, Virginia Tech
8. Sixth round, No. 12: Matt Scott QB, Arizona
9. Sixth round, No. 31: Ty Powell OLB, Harding University
10. Seventh round, No. 21: Dustin Hopkins K, Florida State
11. Seventh round, No. 31: Brandon Kaufman WR, Eastern Washington

49ers are expecting 3 more comp picks. 1 7th round pick and 2 3rd round picks for a total of 14 picks.
I like it and I really like Gholston I don't think he falls to the fourth though.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by 49erNation85 View Post
I dunno even half of those guys why did we sign them jeez.
Menardo75 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 05:13 PM    (permalink
dan77733
All-Pro
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 5,675
Reputation: 106395
dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Question -

Who did we lose in FA that we could be getting TWO third round compensation picks?
dan77733 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 05:24 PM    (permalink
dan77733
All-Pro
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 5,675
Reputation: 106395
dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

On another note -

Is anyone concerned that Baalke could be overplaying his hand with Alex Smith? Seriously, with only $3.5m in cap room, losing Goldson, Walker or Jean Francois in FA would be a bigger loss than gaining a mid to late round draft pick for Smith.

I think that if Goldson and Walker hit FA, both are gone. Losing either would hurt but Goldson would hurt a lot more. I personally think that releasing Smith and gaining the $8.5m in cap room which would give us a total of $12m in cap room is far more important than a mid to late round draft pick because the team would then be able to re-sign Goldson and others or at the very least franchise Goldson for 2013.

Thoughts?
dan77733 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 05:32 PM    (permalink
Justone2
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 690
Reputation: 98707
Justone2 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Justone2 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Justone2 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Justone2 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Justone2 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Justone2 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Justone2 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Justone2 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Justone2 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Justone2 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Justone2 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

You can always negotiate with Goldson and then release Smith. Trying to get someone to bite before you have to release him and if no one does you cut him lose.
Justone2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 05:45 PM    (permalink
49ersfan_87
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 3,439
Reputation: 175801
49ersfan_87 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.49ersfan_87 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.49ersfan_87 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.49ersfan_87 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.49ersfan_87 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.49ersfan_87 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.49ersfan_87 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.49ersfan_87 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.49ersfan_87 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.49ersfan_87 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.49ersfan_87 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dan77733 View Post
On another note -

Is anyone concerned that Baalke could be overplaying his hand with Alex Smith? Seriously, with only $3.5m in cap room, losing Goldson, Walker or Jean Francois in FA would be a bigger loss than gaining a mid to late round draft pick for Smith.

I think that if Goldson and Walker hit FA, both are gone. Losing either would hurt but Goldson would hurt a lot more. I personally think that releasing Smith and gaining the $8.5m in cap room which would give us a total of $12m in cap room is far more important than a mid to late round draft pick because the team would then be able to re-sign Goldson and others or at the very least franchise Goldson for 2013.

Thoughts?
Depends what Goldson wants. I think he's a very good player (7-8) who will probably want a great contract (10 a year, think Brandon Carr money). We all know Baalke has a set price and does not budge if the FA wants more- we've seen it time and time again the last 2 offseasons. If Goldson has outpriced himself and isn't willing to come down to Baalke, he probably won't hesitate to let him walk.
49ersfan_87 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 06:08 PM    (permalink
dan77733
All-Pro
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 5,675
Reputation: 106395
dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.dan77733 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 49ersfan_87 View Post
Depends what Goldson wants. I think he's a very good player (7-8) who will probably want a great contract (10 a year, think Brandon Carr money). We all know Baalke has a set price and does not budge if the FA wants more- we've seen it time and time again the last 2 offseasons. If Goldson has outpriced himself and isn't willing to come down to Baalke, he probably won't hesitate to let him walk.
He's not a cornerback and isnt worth $10m a season. $8m a season is fair at least to me. But forget the long term deal right now. If they cant get a long term deal done, is NOT releasing Smith more important just to acquire a mid to late round draft pick than franchising Goldson at under $7.5m? To me, keeping Goldson via a long term contract or the franchise tag is far more important.

I know Baalke has a set price which is fine but if I see Goldson leave because he wants $10m a season and Baalke offered $8m but then brings back Moss for $2.5m, im sorry but thats not a smart business move at all because while you may be saving $7.5m between paying Goldson $10m and Moss $2.5m, the production level isnt even close.

If the team loses Goldson, im sorry but that could bite Baalke in the ass because there's no one on the roster who can step in and replace Goldson plus keeping Smith (and other veterans) over Goldson is also a bad business decision. Goldson has played his best the last two seasons and no, I wouldnt pay a veteran like Reed or Woodson $10m over Goldson because at best, they're both a stopgap and arent what they once were. Both are good but I wouldnt want either one to replace Goldson.

Bottom line is that I think keeping Goldson via the franchise tag or a long term deal is much more important than trying to trade Alex Smith for a mid to later round draft pick.

Add in the possibility of losing Walker and Jean Francois and well, I for one wont be a happy camper especially when older more expensive players are still on the team.
dan77733 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 06:24 PM    (permalink
phlysac
All-Pro
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 8,598
Reputation: 1846834
phlysac is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.phlysac is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.phlysac is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.phlysac is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.phlysac is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.phlysac is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.phlysac is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.phlysac is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.phlysac is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.phlysac is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.phlysac is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by YAYareaRB View Post
5. Fourth round, No. 31: William Gholston DE, Michigan State

7. Fifth round, No. 31: Corey Fuller WR, Virginia Tech
8. Sixth round, No. 12: Matt Scott QB, Arizona

10. Seventh round, No. 21: Dustin Hopkins K, Florida State
11. Seventh round, No. 31: Brandon Kaufman WR, Eastern Washington
The value at those picks makes it a win regardless of the rest.
__________________
phlysac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 06:39 PM    (permalink
Borat
All-NFLDC
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: The NFC West. Where people play defense.
Posts: 11,072
Reputation: 2476768
Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Dan, why are you bashing Baalke about Moss? Moss said he isn't coming back. Baalke isn't going to offer $2.5M, or any other monetary figure for that matter.
__________________


I'm sorry Brian Sabean. I was wrong. I think I might have been right, but you have Scoreboard.
Borat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 06:42 PM    (permalink
Borat
All-NFLDC
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: The NFC West. Where people play defense.
Posts: 11,072
Reputation: 2476768
Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.Borat is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dan77733 View Post
Question -

Who did we lose in FA that we could be getting TWO third round compensation picks?
I was confused by this as well.
__________________


I'm sorry Brian Sabean. I was wrong. I think I might have been right, but you have Scoreboard.
Borat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 07:01 PM    (permalink
VAfy-ya
Pro Bowler
 
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 2,730
Reputation: 321397
VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.VAfy-ya is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dan77733 View Post
On another note -

Is anyone concerned that Baalke could be overplaying his hand with Alex Smith? Seriously, with only $3.5m in cap room, losing Goldson, Walker or Jean Francois in FA would be a bigger loss than gaining a mid to late round draft pick for Smith.

I think that if Goldson and Walker hit FA, both are gone. Losing either would hurt but Goldson would hurt a lot more. I personally think that releasing Smith and gaining the $8.5m in cap room which would give us a total of $12m in cap room is far more important than a mid to late round draft pick because the team would then be able to re-sign Goldson and others or at the very least franchise Goldson for 2013.

Thoughts?
We can always franchise Goldson and then sign him to a long-term deal after Alex gets traded or released.
VAfy-ya is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2013, 07:19 PM    (permalink
49ersfan_87
Pro Bowler
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 3,439
Reputation: 175801
49ersfan_87 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.49ersfan_87 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.49ersfan_87 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.49ersfan_87 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.49ersfan_87 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.49ersfan_87 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.49ersfan_87 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.49ersfan_87 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.49ersfan_87 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.49ersfan_87 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.49ersfan_87 is kind of a big deal around here, people know him.
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by VAfy-ya View Post
We can always franchise Goldson and then sign him to a long-term deal after Alex gets traded or released.
I think we only have 2 weeks to franchise Goldson at $7.5 million, starting this past Monday. So about 10 days left. But we only have about $3.5 million in cap space. Which means we'd have to cut, restructure, or extend someone to create cap space.
49ersfan_87 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 03:35 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.