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Old 03-01-2013, 12:12 PM    (permalink
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You can't just kick teams out, it's not that easy. The revenue sharing is a gracious effort for both teams. They accept it for the good of the league. If other teams can't raise enough money to stay in the league, there is no league and that's the only reason certain teams accept such sharing.

The point I was trying to make is that certain teams hold an advantage over other teams and hold more trump cards than you're giving credit for. The NFL is an entity as a whole and is the sum of ALL parts. A lot of sharing comes from the two highest grossing teams and that's Washington and Dallas. I'm not saying the league couldn't support its self without these two, but it's much bigger than that. It's not as cut and dry as you make it seem.


And Schaub had a 7M signing bonus and 10M bonus for god knows what making his cap hit manageable. Don't know how that's any different than what these clubs did.


And I'm just an NFL fan and Fantasy fanatic, I really don't care either way about either team but I care about fairness, and this is not fair.

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Is Washington one of the highest grossing teams? I know it's one of the highest valued teams for potential re-sale but that's mainly because of their stadium. Is merchandise revenue shared equally? Cause Washington certainly isn't on TV as much as half of the teams in this league.
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You can't just kick teams out, it's not that easy.
Two teams go rogue and try to end the salary cap by ignoring it. A vote of 30-2 gets it done easily enough.

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No, neither of those teams accept it. They've fought it every time the subject comes up. They're not being nice guys and donating the money; they're being required because a majority of owners voted it into existence against their wishes.

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The point I was trying to make is that certain teams hold an advantage over other teams and hold more trump cards than your giving credit for. The NFL is an entity as a whole and is the sum of ALL parts. A lot of sharing comes from the two highest grossing teams and that's Washington and Dallas. I'm not saying the league couldn't support its self without these two, but it's much bigger than that. It's not as cut and dry as you make it seem.
They hold no trump cards. The league would still rack in billions without them. All it takes is a vote to overrule them, the same way they did every single time those two jagbags tried to fight revenue sharing...the same way they did when they tried to hold up the latest CBA...over revenue sharing.

Who do you think is going to vote with them to give them a "trump card"? The other giant moneybag franchises like New York, Pittsburgh, and Chicago have consistently fought AGAINST DAL and WAS. The smaller franchises despise both of them. Jerry and Danny Boy can't do a damned thing because they can't get the votes. What are they gonna do? Refuse to comply? Bye-bye. No more NFL team for you.

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And Schaub had a 7M signing bonus and 10M bonus for god knows what making his cap hit manageable. Don't know how that's any different than what these clubs did.
I already explained this. You're being willfully ignorant. ****-tons of contracts have big roster bonuses late in the deal. It's like a performance incentive; play well and get it. Don't and you get cut. Do you read ANY NFL news? You see guys get cut to avoid these roster bonuses all the time. His just happened to be one OF MANY to coincidentally fall in the uncapped year.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/st.-louis...s-laurinaitis/

Are the Rams engaging in shenanigans? No. They made JL's contract work so that they could cut him before this year and still be protected if he didn't prove his early success to not be a fluke last season.

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Mara is very loyal to the NFL as a whole because of what his father did for the league. If NY didn't allow the league to share their revenue equally in the 60's with all other teams the NFL wouldn't be what it is today. Mara is defensive when it comes down to a group/single entities.
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Obviously the owners from the other teams supported this since it was voted 29-0. And no other team had this problem, and also the league warned against this prior to the lockout too. However, the 29-0 speaks volumes. If any other owner thought the skins or cowboys were wrongly treated, then they would have backed them.
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It's obvious collusion. There's no denying it.

This feud is btw the owners, it's obvious they colluded and Dallas and Washington almost screwed it all up, and they all decided to screw Synder and Jones as payback for falling out of line.

It's wrong. But that's how the politics of the game is played.
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I agree w/the negative sentiment expressed towards Jones & Snyder for their general douchbaggery. I do, however, hope Snyder wins his lawsuit. It was absolutely collusion. The owners decided to play nice with low-gross teams and not let Jerry and Danny run off with all the top players via lump sums of money.

Jerry and Danny said "Lol. GFY." and did it anyway. It amuses me, personally. In a way that only a game played by fabulously wealthy elite that I'll never participate in can do.
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Where are you getting your information? What document or rule tells you that how a team can be removed from the league? I don't think a majority vote by the owners would get that done. Please share your source though.

Take a look at these 3 contracts and tell me how what the Skins did is any different than the Bears.


Pep: http://mobile.spotrac.com/nfl/chicag...ulius-peppers/

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Two teams go rogue and try to end the salary cap by ignoring it. A vote of 30-2 gets it done easily enough.

No, neither of those teams accept it. They've fought it every time the subject comes up. They're not being nice guys and donating the money; they're being required because a majority of owners voted it into existence against their wishes.


They hold no trump cards. The league would still rack in billions without them. All it takes is a vote to overrule them, the same way they did every single time those two jagbags tried to fight revenue sharing...the same way they did when they tried to hold up the latest CBA...over revenue sharing.

Who do you think is going to vote with them to give them a "trump card"? The other giant moneybag franchises like New York, Pittsburgh, and Chicago have consistently fought AGAINST DAL and WAS. The smaller franchises despise both of them. Jerry and Danny Boy can't do a damned thing because they can't get the votes. What are they gonna do? Refuse to comply? Bye-bye. No more NFL team for you.



I already explained this. You're being willfully ignorant. ****-tons of contracts have big roster bonuses late in the deal. It's like a performance incentive; play well and get it. Don't and you get cut. Do you read ANY NFL news? You see guys get cut to avoid these roster bonuses all the time. His just happened to be one OF MAY to coincidentally fall in the uncapped year.

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Where are you getting your information? What document or rule tells you that how a team can be removed the league? I don't think a majority vote by the owners would get that done. Please share your source though.

Take a look at these 3 contracts and tell me how what the Skins did is any different than the Bears.


Pep: http://mobile.spotrac.com/nfl/chicag...ulius-peppers/

AL: http://mobile.spotrac.com/nfl/tampa-...aneers/albert-

Hall:http://mobile.spotrac.com/nfl/washin...deangelo-hall/
He already did. Try reading posts more closely.

"Peppers contract didn't have one crazy inflated year. His 2010 cap number wasn't crazy out of line with the rest of the years. It was only about 5 million higher. people are just looking at spotrac now and seeing that low 2011 number and assuming things without knowing that he restructured that year."
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I'm too busy @ work to search it but, iirc, the collusion even went so far as to include a % that spelled out how big a jump the contract could have for the uncapped year.
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He already did. Try reading posts more closely.

"Peppers contract didn't have one crazy inflated year. His 2010 cap number wasn't crazy out of line with the rest of the years. It was only about 5 million higher. people are just looking at spotrac now and seeing that low 2011 number and assuming things without knowing that he restructured that year."

Almost 15 mil in the uncapped year and 4mil the following?

Then 16 mil the next? Look at the links I posted, it's in there.



And He never posted any source on how a majority vote is a way to kick a team out of the NFL.

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Almost 15 mil in the uncapped year and 4mil the following?

Then 16 mil the next? Look at the links I posted, it's in there.



And He never posted any source on how a majority vote is a way to kick a team out of the NFL.
He restructured in 2011. Otherwise he would have had a similar cap hit. Prior to 2010 Pepp had even bigger cap hits under the fanchise tag for Carolina.


Stop, read, think. The answer has now been spelled out 3 times.
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You're missing it. I can't do anything about that. If he restructured twice in that time period is irrelevant. It's what they did with the cap space in the uncapped year that is the main point.

Why are you guys neg repping me? Is it bully season here or something? I've been a lurker here and never made an account because of the fact that you can't have a debate w/o people being petty.

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You're missing it. I can't do anything about that. If he restructured twice in that time period is irrelevant. It's what they did with the cap space in the uncapped year that is the main point.

Why are you guys neg repping me? Is it bully season here or something? I've been a lurker here and never made an account because of the fact that you can't have a debate w/o people being petty.
????

You are missing it.

Or, more appropriately, you're choosing to see it in a way that supports your position.
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The text below is from Rotoworld, where smart people go for good information. (Click on the "view contract details" text just above the FB/Twitter icons.)

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3/5/2010: Signed a six-year, $84 million contract. The deal contains $42 million guaranteed, including a $6.5 million signing bonus, a first-year roster bonus of $12.5 million, and a second-year "signing" bonus of $10.5 million. Another $7.5 million is available through incentives based on sacks, Pro Bowl berths, and Defensive Player of the Year awards. Peppers can earn annual $100,000 workout bonuses in years one through five. 2013: $12.9 million, 2014: $13.9 million, 2015: $16.5 million, 2016: Free Agent
Huh . . . turns out Pepp was originally scheduled to make a hell of a lot more in 2011 than the $4M he made according to your linked source.

My guess is the neg rep is for lack of effort in validating facts. Quit crying and post better.
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How am I not validating? I posted links to support my statement, what have you guys posted to support your arguments?

The Rotoworld article just proves what I'm saying, when has it ever been standard to put a SB in the second year of a contract? When that second year happens to be the uncapped year.

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I just showed you.


You trolled me good, I guess?
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I modified my response. Since when has a SB been rolled into the 2nd year?


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I modified my response. Since when has a SB been rolled into the 2nd year?
Never heard of it, either. I suppose that's why it's in quotes b/c it's an odd one.

2010 was uncapped, which was Pepp's first year, not his second.

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What does 'troll' mean?
Asks the guy who claims he's been lurking for a while.

Again, nice job. You trolled me good. Now you're even going all willy-nilly with the years involved. I'll just go ahead and give myself a Picard.
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I mean how did I troll you, making it clear you either 1. Don't get it and don't get what troll means. You're bringing up adhominym conjecture because you don't understand. Do you feel better about yourself by saying that or something?

Bottom line is that Pep had a huge salary in the uncapped year and tiny one in the following year, which is the whole point of why the Skins and Boys were screwed.
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Per wiki

"In Internet slang, a troll (pron.: /ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is someone who posts inflammatory,[1]extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as a forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[3] The noun troll may also refer to the provocative message itself, as in: "That was an excellent troll you posted."


Which is exactly what you did by calling me a troll. I've been on topic the whole time and everything I've said is relevant so not sure where you are getting at.
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i broke my own rule. I try not to explain things to trolls and/or people who don't know jack **** about football, but there I went.
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i broke my own rule. I try not to explain things to trolls and/or people who don't know jack **** about football, but there I went.
It's obvious you're incapable of accepting Anybody's point of view but your own as when someone disagrees with you you attack them. I joined this board to discuss football not recieve childish attacks everytime a disagreement takes place.

The evidence is right there, if you choose not to see it, whatever but keep your trash talking out of the thread and PM me if you have an issue.
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