Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend
You could do that for a bunch of positions. That's like saying put Dee Milliner in a terrible secondary and it's still terrible after. You need pieces around any player, why do you think so many people are giving Suh excuses in Detroit? He isn't turning that line into the best line in the NFL on his own and he's been in the league a few years now. There is a reason people say Warmack is the best player in the entire draft, and Warford is a 2nd round pick.
It's just like saying how much more of an impact does Iupati have in comparison to Nate Livings. There is a huge difference between an elite interior lineman and a solid one. You can't put 1 elite guard and surround him by crap on the rest of the line and think he'll change it by himself.
I disagree. If Millner can have a Revis or Sherman like impact, that totally changes what you can do on defense. An elite CB allows you to have more freedom with your safeties and improves what you can do with your #2 CB.
Again, there is a reason guards fall every year and almost never go top 15. It's because they aren't worth it in terms of impact. I'm just following history and facts, it's not like I'm way out of bounds here.
Teams just don't value guards as much as other positions. I understand and agree that both Warmack and Cooper are great prospects. I think they're better guards than Floyd/Richardson are at DT -- but I'd still take Floyd or Richardson before either of the guards because of their position.
People are saying these are 2 of the best OG prospects ever (at least in this thread) but Millner, Joeckel, Fisher, Floyd, Richardson, Jordan, Ansah etc have not been mentioned anywhere near "best ever" status, but they will still go ahead of these guys because their position is more valuable.
I'm really just emphasizing the history of the league in an effort to discredit that any of these guys will go top 10/15
Simply put -- would it shock anyone if Patterson went before Warmack/Cooper? I doubt it. Even though Cordarelle has a high bust factor and is no where near the prospect Cooper/Warmack are, he plays a premium position. He's worth more because of that. That's how it works.