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Old 03-08-2013, 09:21 AM    (permalink
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It was actually a good move at the time.

Granted Sanchez hasn't worked out but the Jets moved WAY up in Round 1, into range for the top tier of players, and only had to give the Browns a bunch of spare parts.
That's the way of this forum. Everyone wants to pretend that Sanchez was a bad prospect and that they knew it at the time when in reality he was a very good one. He went about 10 picks higher than I thought he was worth, but that happens with QB prospects, especially those who look that good.

I really wanted him to stay for his Senior year.

I still think Sanchez could have been a damned good starter if he'd been drafted elsewhere and handled differently.
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It's laugable now, but it really wasnt a bad move and Sanchez was a solid looking prospect coming out, and had a decent rookie year. I think people forget how promising things were looking for the Jets after 09, then they followed it up with another AFCC bout. The Jets have done a terrible job of surrounding him with weapons and developing him. And Sanchez has done a terrible job of taking leadership and being the man.
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That's the way of this forum. Everyone wants to pretend that Sanchez was a bad prospect and that they knew it at the time when in reality he was a very good one. He went about 10 picks higher than I thought he was worth, but that happens with QB prospects, especially those who look that good.

I really wanted him to stay for his Senior year.

I still think Sanchez could have been a damned good starter if he'd been drafted elsewhere and handled differently.
He had perfect mechanics and great footwork. His accuracy was pretty good and his arm was good enough. His two big knocks were lack of experience and a little slow IDing the D and making his progressions, which kind of stems from lack of experience.

Hes completely regressed from his time at USC. If you watch a game of him then and then one of him now, its mind boggling how far hes fallen.

His accuracy is so much worse and his footwork gets sloppy sometimes. Most importantly though, he hasnt gotten faster and reading the D at all. Hes late on almost every throw because it takes him too long to read the D, figure out where to go with the ball against said D, and deliver it.
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Anyone else notice how Mike Tannenbaum keeps mentioning trading back into the 1st round gets you a 5th year on the rookie contract with the "new CBA"? He's said it twice this week on 2 separate occasions. Absolutely mind-blowing that this guy was our general manager and he doesn't even know how the real new CBA handles rookie contracts. Mind-blowing.
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This says more about the state of the Browns state of the franchise and their decision-making the last few years. They GAVE AWAY the pick to the Jets for some backups players and "spare parts" like was mentioned. Then a couple years later, they trade the #6 pick to the Falcons and got a decent haul, but in the process they were bypassing players like Julio Jones, Aldon Smith and J.J. Watt to name a few.

Only to select Phil Taylor with the pick from the Falcons via Kansas City, and once again bypassing some very good players like Muhammed Wilkerson, Andy Dalton and Colin Kaepernick.

Imagine the Browns offense with Colin Kaepernick at the helm throwing to Julio Jones and Josh Gordon, with Trent Richardson or Doug Martin in the backfield. Ouch.
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That's the way of this forum. Everyone wants to pretend that Sanchez was a bad prospect and that they knew it at the time when in reality he was a very good one. He went about 10 picks higher than I thought he was worth, but that happens with QB prospects, especially those who look that good.

I really wanted him to stay for his Senior year.

I still think Sanchez could have been a damned good starter if he'd been drafted elsewhere and handled differently.
Sanchez didn't play enough in college to deserve selection as as top-10 pick, or even a first rounder.

You just don't pick QBs with less than 3 years, minimum, as a starter in the top-10 or even first round. It's asking for trouble.
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Sanchez didn't play enough in college to deserve selection as as top-10 pick, or even a first rounder.

You just don't pick QBs with less than 3 years, minimum, as a starter in the top-10 or even first round. It's asking for trouble.
Exactly. He was not ever a steal by any stretch because he was overvalued to begin with.
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That's the way of this forum. Everyone wants to pretend that Sanchez was a bad prospect and that they knew it at the time when in reality he was a very good one.
It's not about pretending Sanchez was a bad prospect. It's about remembering how the NFL works. There is no sure thing in the draft. It's interesting to look back at that video and see all the hope and excitement that surrounds a brand new quarterback.
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That's the way of this forum. Everyone wants to pretend that Sanchez was a bad prospect and that they knew it at the time when in reality he was a very good one.
I honestly thought he was garbage from watching him at USC.

Thought he was even behind Leinart in terms of talent coming out.
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I don't think you can risk taking a USC quarterback in the first round at this point in time. Leinart is a bust, Sanchez is a bust, and Palmer was elite for a year or two and was never the same after the knee injury. If a team drafts Barkley in the first round, they will regret it three years from now.
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I don't think you can risk taking a USC quarterback in the first round at this point in time. Leinart is a bust, Sanchez is a bust, and Palmer was elite for a year or two and was never the same after the knee injury. If a team drafts Barkley in the first round, they will regret it three years from now.
Are you trying to tell me John David Booty didn't have the talent to make it if he got 1 more chance?!
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He had perfect mechanics and great footwork. His accuracy was pretty good and his arm was good enough. His two big knocks were lack of experience and a little slow IDing the D and making his progressions, which kind of stems from lack of experience.

Hes completely regressed from his time at USC. If you watch a game of him then and then one of him now, its mind boggling how far hes fallen.

His accuracy is so much worse and his footwork gets sloppy sometimes. Most importantly though, he hasnt gotten faster and reading the D at all. Hes late on almost every throw because it takes him too long to read the D, figure out where to go with the ball against said D, and deliver it.
This is so important. People talk about "three year starters" and "30 career starts" like something magical happens. In reality, the guys with less experience usually don't have a strong foundation when it comes to reading a defense and going through their progressions. These guys get to the NFL and drown.

Of course, there are obvious exceptions. Sanchez just wasn't one of them.
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Sanchez didn't play enough in college to deserve selection as as top-10 pick, or even a first rounder.

You just don't pick QBs with less than 3 years, minimum, as a starter in the top-10 or even first round. It's asking for trouble.
It's worked out pretty well for Cam Newton
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I loved Sanchez as a prospect. I thought Stafford was the best QB I had ever evaluated (until Luck came along) but Sanchez wasn't far off. I thought Seattle taking Aaron Curry over Mark Sanchez was, literally, the worst pick I had ever seen (partially correct). Under different circumstances, I can see how Sanchez would have been successful....though in any case, my evaluation was totally wrong, I admit that.

And regardless of the outcome, that trade was a total steal. If the Jets had used that pick on a good player like Orakpo, everyone would be marveling at Tanenbaum's genius. Trade was good....pick was bad.
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It's that when trading for Mark it left him with only 3 picks in that draft 09. In the 2010 drafted Kyle Wilson, Vladimir Ducasse didn't have a 3rd Braylon Edwards or 4th Lito Sheppard and picked John Conner in the 5th. THat's when the ball started rolling of them. If you only take 4 players a draft you better not miss on one. THIS guy missed on all of them.
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It's that when trading for Mark it left him with only 3 picks in that draft 09. In the 2010 drafted Kyle Wilson, Vladimir Ducasse didn't have a 3rd Braylon Edwards or 4th Lito Sheppard and picked John Conner in the 5th. THat's when the ball started rolling of them. If you only take 4 players a draft you better not miss on one. THIS guy missed on all of them.
Wilson has been solid, especially last year. He hasn't lived up to where the Jets picked him, but he has improved every single year so far.
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It's that when trading for Mark it left him with only 3 picks in that draft 09. In the 2010 drafted Kyle Wilson, Vladimir Ducasse didn't have a 3rd Braylon Edwards or 4th Lito Sheppard and picked John Conner in the 5th. THat's when the ball started rolling of them. If you only take 4 players a draft you better not miss on one. THIS guy missed on all of them.
The defensive picks have mostly hit actually. All of the failure picks have been on offense. Slauson and Kerley (and to a lesser extent, Powell) are really the only Tannenbaum picks on the offensive side that worked out. 1st round defensive players like Wilson, Wilkerson, and Coples have been solid.
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