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Old 03-25-2013, 06:20 PM    (permalink
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If you guys start Pryor all year you definately are a lock for the #1 pick. I'm under the assumption that anyone dumb enough to act like he "won" a QB battle and then let him play for 16 games should be fired. If all you had to do was be big, fast, and have a huge arm to play QB people would have been doing it a lot longer. Pryor hasn't developed as a QB 1 bit since he was 19 and sadly if he wasn't wasting his time developing as a QB all these years he'd probably be a really nice hybrid WR/TE and a great red zone weapon.
Raiders would be a lock with Pryor at the helm just like with Geno Smith at the helm.

Like I said, I'd rather have Jordan/Bridgewater over Geno/Clowney.
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Suddenly, I don't feel so bad about our QB situation.

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Suddenly, I don't feel so bad about our QB situation.

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I don't understand how the Raiders' QB situation was much better than yours before this news. I mean, Carson Palmer sucking up $15+ million in cap space? That's basically just as bad as starting Terrelle Pryor.
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I don't understand how the Raiders' QB situation was much better than yours before this news. I mean, Carson Palmer sucking up $15+ million in cap space? That's basically just as bad as starting Terrelle Pryor.
Because Carson Palmer could throw more than 30 yds down the field....through the air.
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...Into a defender's hands without a receiver within 10 yards.

And then blame it on the receiver.

And hey, Pryor can throw 30 yards down the field. He just has to be on the run to do it. Which will happen a lot unless the Raiders get a RT and RG.
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Forget all this QB talk - you guys need to just tailor your offense to DMC and go with it.

And pray he doesn't get hurt.
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Hence Terrelle Pryor. Pistol offense. Reece and DMC in the backfield.
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I think we are in the same boat CURRENTLY.

T-Jax + Spiller + FJax = Just don't stop running please.
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And why would I want to tailor the offense to DMC? He might breakout and carry the team to an 8-8 record like he did in 2011 when he carried JASON CAMPBELL before he got hurt.

Then how do the Raiders get a franchise QB like Bridgewater?
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You are talking to the 8-8, 7-9 , "Oh look we are at 8-12 again in the draft" and miss out on a difference maker kings.
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I'm enjoying Sebastian Vollmer's new contract pending whatever the incentives end up being. Four years, $17 million, a little over $8 million in guarantees, another $10 million in incentives related to playing time, etc.
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I'm enjoying Sebastian Vollmer's new contract pending whatever the incentives end up being. Four years, $17 million, a little over $8 million in guarantees, another $10 million in incentives related to playing time, etc.
That is an amazing deal. It's hard to fathom that there wasn't an NFL team out there willing to blow that offer out of the water. For a top 5 RT and someone who has enough foot speed and length to play LT he should have been able to get a lot more.

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Jermon Bushrod gets 5 years, $36 million ($22.5 million guaranteed)

Sebastian Vollmer gets 4 years, $17 million ($8.25 million guaranteed)

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For some reason, there didn't seem to be any sort of market for Vollmer. I think most people just figured it was a foregone conclusion that he would re-sign with New England, or had some concerns about his durability.
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Can't believe the Packers are going to pay 8.25 Mil to Finley this season.
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The team is going to hold onto his "potential" as long as they can in hopes that one day he wakes up and figures **** out.
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Bears re-signed Jon Scott, one of the worst tackles in the league last season. ******* yay. Much better to have someone who's proven to be terrible rather than one of the many "meh, he's an ok stopgap" types that are still siting around in free agency that can be had for the same price, right?

Fire Phil Emery. ****** had a hand in ******* up the Chiefs and now he's ******* up the Bears. Stupid ******** ****. I ******* hate that stupid ****. Brilliant letting one of Scott Pioli's goddamned henchmen have his own team to ruin. One of the premier GM jobs in the NFL and it gets handed to a stupid **** who makes three facepalm moves for every good one. Awesome. Just like handing a new Mercedes to a 16 year old girl who's already been in three wrecks.

Yes, I mad. Very much so.
So....Jon Scott, a backup OT, is the move that set you over? Seems a little much. I realize you have problems with some other moves; I personally didn't like the Bushrod deal either, nor the Jeffery pick, but you're gonna look silly if Bushrod's 2012 turns out to have been an anomaly or if McClellin improves as a pass rusher (as I, personally, fully expect).

The thing with Emery, is that when he explains his logic, it's hard for me to question his thought process. He refers to PFF and other outside scouting services as tools he trusts, but he trusts his staff and his own eye first and foremost. He went into some pretty good detail explaining his draft picks and free agent signings. His whole mantra seems to be surrounding his franchise QB with playmakers, improving the OL in its current state without going overboard with $$$, and adding pass rushers and defensive backs on defense. He went into detail explaining his decision not to address the OL in last year's draft and it was just insanely....logical....to me. If he doesn't know how to build a team, he does a good job of hiding it during his press conferences.

But OTOH, I'm not going to act like he hasn't made some questionable moves. Like I said, I'm mostly with you on Bushrod. I don't put as much weight into readily available PFF numbers as you do, but they did pay far too much. The Forte deal was more than I would have paid for any RB, and in hindsight, even though the deal looked like good market value, year 1 was a huge disappointment. I'm still not sure how a creep like Trestman was able to impress him throughout the interview process, and my instinct is to dislike the move, but I have no way of knowing for sure until the season starts. When I look at the roster in place, I don't see why they can't win a Super Bowl this season. So while I'm not ecstatic, I don't see any reason to be quite as.....dramatic......as you're being. Yet.

Edit: Oh, and as for the comments about Pioli - come on, you know that's dumb. Pioli's problem was an insanely stupid commitment to terrible QB's. They drafted pretty well while Emery was there. Dimitroff is from the same tree and Emery, himself, has credited Dimitroff as a GM whose methods he admires. I would hardly say he's been been in three car wrecks.
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I like him better in a rotation role then as a starter. I think he would have to play DT in a 4-3 he is huge at 6'8' 315.
Apparently he was signed for 1 yr. 1 mil. so it seems like he's being looked at as a rotational guy. Seems solid to me.
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makes me wonder if the Giants overpaid Beatty with those Vollmer numbers.
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Can't believe the Packers are going to pay 8.25 Mil to Finley this season.
Why is he still with the team?
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Damn that Vollmer contract is a steal for the Patriots.

Jake Long's contract only counts for 13.5 million against the cap in the first 2 years of the contract, and then after that we can get out of the deal pretty comfortably if they choose to do so.
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Why is he still with the team?
To do celebrations when he catches the ball for 7yds?? Why ElsE?
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