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Old 04-04-2013, 12:54 PM    (permalink
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Can he though? They tried him at Guard and he was a massive fail. Then RT and he was a massive fail. The guy just doesn't have it anymore.

I rather get a cheap backup from somewhere else honestly. I bet you if Diehl got cut today, he'd be just like OHara and Petitgout and be forced into retirement.

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Giants OT David Diehl has agreed to a pay-cut, slashing his $4.475 million salary to $1 million.
He actually is only making 1 million, so he is cheap. The 2nd point you made always blows my mind, how many OL and LB have been starting for us and then don't even get a sniff of interest in FA and retire, O'hara, Seubert, McKenzie, Carlos Emmons, Pierce, etc.
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Too many. The Giants are notorious for keeping guys longer than they should.

It helps us and hurts us at the same time if that makes any sense.
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He actually is only making 1 million, so he is cheap. The 2nd point you made always blows my mind, how many OL and LB have been starting for us and then don't even get a sniff of interest in FA and retire, O'hara, Seubert, McKenzie, Carlos Emmons, Pierce, etc.
His base is only $1 million but he's making like $3.3 million with the signing bonus added in. That's also his cap number for the year I think.
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I agree with us hanging on to guys for too long, but for $1 base salary for a year, why not keep Diehl around? He knows the system and all that jazz and his versatility to be a backup saves a potential roster spot. He may not be the most talented option as a backup, but with the paycut, there's no reason not to keep him around
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Diehl is this year's version of Locklear, cheap vet depth at multiple positions.
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Wow, we have a big time DT haul now. We just signed Mike Patterson. So add another DT to our rotation.
I like this signing, another low risk, high reward type of guy.

Looking at our DT rotation, we have a lot of depth and competition this year.

In addition to Joseph, we have 3 very experienced vets in Jenkins, Patterson and Rogers, plus youngsters like Austin and Kuhn. It should be very interesting in camp.
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Wow, we have a big time DT haul now. We just signed Mike Patterson. So add another DT to our rotation.
By all reports Cruz wants around $10m-$11m a year, that's not going to happen here. So unless Cruz drops his demands, it is likely to get messy after April 19.
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Here is an interesting article on Jerry Reese.

http://www.giants101.com/2013/04/04/...nt-evaluators/

I think a lot of us fans take Reese for granted and don't appreciate just how good Reese actually is.

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We are bringing in C/G Antoine Caldwell (texans) for a visit.
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They need to meet in the middle. Give him 8 mill, throw in more guaranteed money on the current offer, and call it a day.

He's an idiot if he leaves for 2 mill more a season. He makes that back in endorsements easily in the NY market. Ask Jeremy Lin how much money he lost in endorsements since leaving NY for Houston. The extra money on his contract won't make up for it.
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If he leaves, then back to finding a new replacement for the slot spot. I have faith though. If anything, that slot spot and developing a player is the only asset of our system.
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We'll have him for at least one more year. And if we franchise him, 2 more years.

So I'm not really concerned at the moment. We don't have to find his replacement in this draft.
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I hate the franchise tag. If we can't get a deal done, then let him go. I hate that aspect of FA. either sign the guy or let the guy leave and get his money. Plus, we don't use then tag option a lot.

Start the finding process now because it takes time. Its not like we run a plug and play system at that spot.
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My old slow computer is working. So now I have access to all my football PDFs and such.

Here is the last couple plays from my SB 42 game breakdown. It also means I have access to my notes from Spag's system, including blitz, and front composites.

It's like I got Jurrasic Park online and working again!
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Upload all of it into your new computer and make a thread in our team forum for Xs and Os so we can see all of it!
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It's all old stuff. All of it is from 2007-2009 I think it is. Maybe even 07-08. I have mostly all offense and what we ran, and I do have the SB break down of both the defense and offense. So I do have Spag's system and blitz packages documented.

If anyone else is interested I will. It's a pain doing it for everything, so if people want to actually see it, then I am fine with it. If it's just you, lol, I can email you the PDFs of all of it. I sent it to a friend on BBI who wanted it. So I sent him 6 PDFs.

Like I said though, if people are interested I can create a Xs and Os forum in our section. The games would be older games but we can see the stuff we did and still do on offense.
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It's all old stuff. All of it is from 2007-2009 I think it is. Maybe even 07-08. I have mostly all offense and what we ran, and I do have the SB break down of both the defense and offense. So I do have Spag's system and blitz packages documented.

If anyone else is interested I will. It's a pain doing it for everything, so if people want to actually see it, then I am fine with it. If it's just you, lol, I can email you the PDFs of all of it. I sent it to a friend on BBI who wanted it. So I sent him 6 PDFs.

Like I said though, if people are interested I can create a Xs and Os forum in our section. The games would be older games but we can see the stuff we did and still do on offense.
I am very interested as well
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If there is interest I don't mind doing it. We tried an Xs and Os thread in the main forum and it sank. I think we get a lot of people who think they can talk football get intimidated and so lurk, and read. So because of that, and because some fans are casual fans, we get more lurkers than actually posters. I saw this happen on giants.com, scout.com, where I was a mod, and in the main section on here.

I think because of the limited # of people in our Giants section, it could work. I think that is a positive. I think in a bigger setting people get shy all of a sudden. To me that's real football talk, not hypothetical BS, like I think this guy is better than your guy, and cite stats, and all of a sudden that guy thinks he is a good poster. So those guys get filtered out, because no BSing via stats in those threads.

So far, we have 2 people on here that would be interested so that's a good start.
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I find the X's and O's quite interesting. I think it may help if we focus around a specific team rather than the NFL in general.

This won't be for everyone, but there are a few hard core fans who will find it interesting :)

When I looked into the Seahawks' defensive system, I found it quite enlightening.
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With Rolando McClain getting cut by the Raiders, it might be worth looking at him as an option.

Sure he has issues, but he does have football ability and we have done well managing players with character issues.

I think our team environment could be what he needs to turn it around, a one year prove it contract could be a good option.
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While I feel for my fellow 23 year old headcases, McClain's talent isn't even that great to be worth it.
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Forget all the issues with his head for a second. He's just not a great LB. He's slow. That's always been his problem and why I struggled with him during the draft. I was so hot and cold with him. But ultimately didn't like him, and his play on the field showed it.
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Xs and Os thread is up and running. Uploaded SB 42 our offense vs their defense. 29 pages from the PDF uploaded in picture format for your viewing. There is some other stuff as well before this breakdown.

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Xs and Os thread is up and running. Uploaded SB 42 our offense vs their defense. 29 pages from the PDF uploaded in picture format for your viewing. There is some other stuff as well before this breakdown.

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Looks awesome! I will probably just read in the thread, unless I have some questions, seeing as I am not very good at the x's and o's of football yet. But I am eager to learn, and I love reading your breakdowns and your discussions with BBD and other guys who know what they're looking at! Thank you for taking the time to upload all that stuff on this page!
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Brandon Myers, I checked him out on youtube just to get a feel for him...he's basically Boss/Ballard part 3. Carbon copy of those 2.

He's a great fit for our system bc he really knows how to find holes in coverage. I think he can thrive in our scheme. He's slow, but so is Jason Witten so it won't stop him from being productive.

He won't be the run blocker than Unicorn was though. We're gonna miss that a lot.
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