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Old 04-07-2013, 10:01 AM    (permalink
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I just think when Mallett finally gets his chance to start he's going to be a multiple pro bowler. The reason he fell IMO had nothing at all to do with his game film and everything to do with team scouts afraid of his bust potential because of his alleged off the field issues.

Other than Newton, I think Mallett was the #2 QB prospect in the 2011 draft.
Just one of those guys I'm very high on. Chicks call it a 'crush'.
Not like it's written in stone.lol

Still, you can't convince me the Bills/Jags/Chiefs/Titans/Vikings/Browns/Bengals/Phins wouldn't have been better off with Mallett as their starting QB in 2011.
With our crappy receivers and patchwork o-line from 2011? He'd have never finished the season with the Jags he'd have been getting drubbed like he did in the second half of his last game against Alabama.
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After AZ, OAK and BUF each made QB moves last week, one NFL GM predicted "these quarterbacks in this draft are going to fall like logs."
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I think Buffalo is the likeliest landing spot but I'll stick to my guns: there's a chance he falls way down in the first.
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Kevin Kolb, Carson Palmer and Matt Flynn are gonna make guys like Smith/Barkley/Glennon/Bray/Nassib fall hard in the draft????lol

That would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.
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No. Smith/Barkley/Glennon etc. are going to fall because they aren't that good.

I think the fact that those players, who as you point out are very flawed in their own ways, were signed before the draft, is somewhat telling.
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It's very telling. It very bluntly means teams are not looking at this draft as holding the solution for their quarterback problems.
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It's very telling. It very bluntly means teams are not looking at this draft as holding the solution for their quarterback problems.
Or it just means that most teams in the top 10 that need a quarterback only see one quarterback worth taking that early and they are protecting themselves in the likely event that they don't get him. With the current rookie pay scale why wouldn't you take a chance on a guy that could be a franchise quarterback or at least better than what is already on the roster. There is a minimal risk with a great reward in the current draft system and we know Kolb, Flynn, and Palmer are only short term solutions.
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Arizona, Buffalo and Raiders have had 'issues' when it comes to evaluating QB prospects before.

When a franchise brings in a battered Carson Palmer nearing the end of his career, or damaged goods in Kevin Kolb and now thinks their teams are in a better position at QB than they will be after the draft, I don't get that.
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The only thing that's telling about it to me is, how awful these organizations are run. That's the only telling thing about it.

It's not an accident that they're perenial doormats of the NFL. Bc of moves like those.
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BBD, I don't think it's fair for you to bash these low-risk, low-cost moves and not hitch your wagon to a QB.

Calub and I's opinions on this QB class are based on specific evaluations of each QB.

You have put yourself in a position where if Nassib is taken in the 2nd and ends up being good, you can say "see - this class wasn't that bad - x, y, z messed up by passing on Nassib for Kevin freaking Kolb."

You seem to be saying "I don't care what QB you draft - but draft one of them" which is a cop out.

And if you like Geno Smith and no one else, then how is what Buffalo's done with Kolb a bad move considering there's a good chance they don't even have an opportunity to get him.

So what QBs are these GMs so awful for not drafting?
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When a franchise brings in a battered Carson Palmer nearing the end of his career, or damaged goods in Kevin Kolb and now thinks their teams are in a better position at QB than they will be after the draft, I don't get that.
I think we're saying the same thing. I don't see why one of those teams wouldn't take a chance on Geno considering his potential.
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Where does Geno rank compared to the QBs from the last 4 or so drafts?
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Where does Geno rank compared to the QBs from the last 4 or so drafts?
He's below Luck, Griffin and Tannehill from last year. Cam Newton would be ahead of him two years ago. Sam Bradford was undoubtedly a better prospect.

Geno isn't a terrible quarterback prospect, but he's not the ideal guy to have as the #1 signal caller in a class. (I have Tyler Wilson as being worthy of a top 10 selection and as the top quarterback in the draft but that clearly is not shared by the draft community or any teams)
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How was tannehill a better prospect?!

He had only 1.5 seasons of playing QB in college. Even though he was in a passy happy offensive system (like WVU's Air-Raid), Tannehil completed only 61.5% of his passes and had 29 TD/15 INT in his senior year (his only full yr starting at QB).

If some think that Geno smith's 70% completions and 42TD /7INT was inflated because of the system, than shouldnt tannehill's average #s be also considered inflated?
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How was tannehill a better prospect?!

He had only 1.5 seasons of playing QB in college. Even though he was in a passy happy offensive system (like WVU's Air-Raid), Tannehil completed only 61.5% of his passes and had 29 TD/15 INT in his senior year (his only full yr starting at QB).

If some think that Geno smith's 70% completions and 42TD /7INT was inflated because of the system, than shouldnt tannehill's average #s be also considered inflated?
Agree with this. No way Tannehill was a better prospect. Also, something that needs to be considered is that the Browns, Vikings and Titans made poor first round choices in the past two years, taking away potential QB vacancies because of the investment. If there were more landing spots for QBs in the first round this year, this class would be viewed a little more favorably.
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How was tannehill a better prospect?!

He had only 1.5 seasons of playing QB in college. Even though he was in a passy happy offensive system (like WVU's Air-Raid), Tannehil completed only 61.5% of his passes and had 29 TD/15 INT in his senior year (his only full yr starting at QB).

If some think that Geno smith's 70% completions and 42TD /7INT was inflated because of the system, than shouldnt tannehill's average #s be also considered inflated?
Tannehill played in a pro style offense under Mike Sherman, who's now his OC in the NFL. The two systems aren't even comparable. In fact, Tannehill's experience in that system made him a more valuable prospect than if he was in spread.
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How was tannehill a better prospect?!

He had only 1.5 seasons of playing QB in college. Even though he was in a passy happy offensive system (like WVU's Air-Raid), Tannehil completed only 61.5% of his passes and had 29 TD/15 INT in his senior year (his only full yr starting at QB).

If some think that Geno smith's 70% completions and 42TD /7INT was inflated because of the system, than shouldnt tannehill's average #s be also considered inflated?
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Where does Geno rank compared to the QBs from the last 4 or so drafts?
Fwiw, as prospects going into the draft I have these guys from the previous four years ranked ahead of Geno:

Luck
Griffin
Russell Wilson
Cam Newton
Jake Locker (There is still hope, damnit!)
Ryan Mallet
Sam Bradford
Matt Stafford
Josh Freeman

I have him graded about even with Christian Ponder (Who I liked more than most), Ryan Tannehill and Jimmy Clausen (I suck, lol).

I have him ahead of guys like Mark Sanchez, Andy Dalton And Colin Kaepernick.

I have him #1 in this class, but only slightly ahead of Tyler Wilson.

This is based on my highly non-scientific rating system where 100 points is the highest grade possible, and the lowest is Tim Tebow.

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How was tannehill a better prospect?!

He had only 1.5 seasons of playing QB in college. Even though he was in a passy happy offensive system (like WVU's Air-Raid), Tannehil completed only 61.5% of his passes and had 29 TD/15 INT in his senior year (his only full yr starting at QB).

If some think that Geno smith's 70% completions and 42TD /7INT was inflated because of the system, than shouldnt tannehill's average #s be also considered inflated?
70 percent because plays like this count as a pass. a 38 yard "pass"
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He's really the quarterback we should all be debating and talking about as the top guy.
I don't know if my posts are on this forum or not, but since the college football season started I've always had Wilson as a top 2 QB. Did a quick search and in January I had him as my #2 QB behind Smith in the thread "your top 10 QBs right now". I'm a big fan of Wilson's and he might be my number 1 QB in this draft if I weren't wearing WVU homer goggles.

You go to bat for him all the time. I see your mocks and top player lists. I'm right there with ya. Wilson should be talked about more. I think he'll be a very good NFL QB.
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Why are Tyler Wilson fans so high on him?? His last two seasons at Arkansas were almost statistically the same. I don't see anything 'wow' about him, except maybe his intangibles.
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Why are Tyler Wilson fans so high on him?? His last two seasons at Arkansas were almost statistically the same. I don't see anything 'wow' about him, except maybe his intangibles.
Wilson has some tremendous junior tape, and he showed high character, leadership and toughness during the chaos that was Arkansas this past season.
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Why are Tyler Wilson fans so high on him?? His last two seasons at Arkansas were almost statistically the same. I don't see anything 'wow' about him, except maybe his intangibles.
Name everything Matt Barkley does and Tyler Wilson does it better.

Accuracy, intangibles, arm strength, pocket presence, decision making, playing with non elite talent...

Barkley is terrible. He sucks so much *****.
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