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Old 04-11-2013, 07:47 PM    (permalink
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Pshhhh, Calvin is the greatest safe pick of all time.
I didn't say all. I said most. Some guys are just freaks.
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AJ Green wasn't entirely safe either. I remember some buzz about people being concerned about his wonderlic. He was Mario Manningham level dumb apparently.
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There hasn't really been a safe receiver pick besides Calvin and Fitz in the last decade plus.
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AJ Green wasn't entirely safe either. I remember some buzz about people being concerned about his wonderlic. He was Mario Manningham level dumb apparently.
i never even heard that...some of the dumbest players in the league are adrian peterson, chris johnson, dez bryant, felix jones, patrick peterson, mo claiborne...most of which couldnt pass a third grade spelling test but whos the only one you hear about being dumb? dez because of the character concerrnzzzz, which is really just being immature, which is almost expected from pampered athletes. Crack baby athletic association approves of where dez is at this point

Never heard of green being a big dummy
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There are safe picks, and there are guys who are constantly described as "the safest pick in the draft." If the highest praise that anybody can come up with is "yes, they should take him because the safest pick in the draft" -- if that's the only justification people can muster for groupthinking him into the top of their mock drafts -- then he's probably being overvalued.

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OT is usually the safe pick every draft. I personally think OT has become way overvalued lately but that's just me.
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AJ Green wasn't entirely safe either. I remember some buzz about people being concerned about his wonderlic. He was Mario Manningham level dumb apparently.
No way BBD. AJ Green was as safe as Calvin.
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If I had to bet on a "safe pick" this year that will disappoint, I guess Luke Joekel would be my guy.

Or Dee Milner, if you consider him "safe"
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No way BBD. AJ Green was as safe as Calvin.
I'm not saying those concerns were valid, but I did hear of them around draft time. Maybe it was swept under the rug quickly, but I'm almost positive I read about that on PFT or some website.

I love AJ btw. He's such a stud. I'd love to see him with a better qb, I think he can be almost as good as Megatron with a better qb.
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I wouldn't say it is impossible with AJ. That is for sure.
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Aaron Curry was the "safe pick" couple years back
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Who was last year's "safe" pick?

Andrew Luck? Yeaaaah...that was a good safe pick. Last year was not a typical draft class though.
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Oh how can I forget Trent Richardson? I'd say the book is still out on him, but I expect him to be good.
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950yds and 11 TD's while being banged up all year says so far, so good for T-Rich.
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For those of you who were questioning the patriots for giving Sanders a 1 year deal (Per Jason Cole):

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The only rule in Article 9, Section 3 that applies to this situation is a set of language that prevents the "New Club" (New England, in this scenario) from reducing the player's salary in the first year.
There's a bit of explanation as to how they might go about turning it into a long term deal if they so chose.

Scott Pioli said (on NBC Sports) that the Patriots offering more money this year is a tactic to either get him to sign now as an RFA or potentially next year as a UFA, basically having the player think "The Patriots offered way more than the Steelers, so they want me more than the Steelers do."
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It's hard to evaluate WR moves by the Patriots bc of the system they run. They don't like drafting WRs bc they run a very complicated option route offense. Their WR rules are very similar to the Giants.

That's why BB wants vet WRs. They have a much easier time adjusting to the scheme than a rookie would.

Sanders could very well thrive in this scheme, or he could suck. But the key to remember when evaluating Sanders is knowing if he has the mental aptitude to thrive in this scheme. Bc that's what matters. Not necessarily his athleticism but his ability to run option routes.

If NE feels that he can thrive then he's a good pick, but if that's not his strong suit then this is a bad move.

That's why Chad Johnson was such a disaster for them. He was old and washed up, but he also has always been a terrible route runner and struggled with playbooks his whole career. You throw him into a complex scheme like that and he was a recipe for disaster.
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I was surprised they didn't go after Stevie Johnson when they had the chance last year to be honest. Stevie ran the same style offense under Gailey in Buffalo and thrived in it. And he was a deep threat.
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Stevie was never going to make it to FA. We were in contract discussions with him from the beginning of the offseason.
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It's hard to evaluate WR moves by the Patriots bc of the system they run. They don't like drafting WRs bc they run a very complicated option route offense. Their WR rules are very similar to the Giants.

That's why BB wants vet WRs. They have a much easier time adjusting to the scheme than a rookie would.

Sanders could very well thrive in this scheme, or he could suck. But the key to remember when evaluating Sanders is knowing if he has the mental aptitude to thrive in this scheme. Bc that's what matters. Not necessarily his athleticism but his ability to run option routes.

If NE feels that he can thrive then he's a good pick, but if that's not his strong suit then this is a bad move.

That's why Chad Johnson was such a disaster for them. He was old and washed up, but he also has always been a terrible route runner and struggled with playbooks his whole career. You throw him into a complex scheme like that and he was a recipe for disaster.
sanders is a brilliant route runner..its tough to really say for sure but i see him doing well there. One thing i am sure of is a rookie can out produce sanders in the steelers offense, but being the patriots offense is so complicated its doubtful one would there..steelers dont run a complicated offense at all, its short/intermediate routes under haley and if those fist few reads dont pan out its get down field as far as you can while ben spins around
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60 minutes had that down to a science.
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Andrew Luck? Yeaaaah...that was a good safe pick. Last year was not a typical draft class though.
Luke Kuechly and David DeCastro were considered pretty safe picks as well.
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Luke Kuechly and David DeCastro were considered pretty safe picks as well.
Yeah last year was a damn good draft.

This year I guess we can say that Joekel, Warmack and Cooper are probably considered the safe picks. All OLmen.
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The Bengals re-signed RB Bernard Scott and signed OL Mike Pollack and TE Alex Smith. Dansby or Harrison one of them will more then likely be signed before the draft to play SOLB.
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Winfield's going to choose between Seattle, Washington, and Minny this weekend.

I'd love to upgrade nickel but if we don't land him I think we have enough options to have a good competition. I also think if they like Guy enough (he played some snaps in the Atlanta game - actually blitzed on their last drive... ugh), Thomas could play some nickel.

But I love Winfield. He's just one of this generations fixtures at CB. Not the greatest player but he found a niche and he'll always be remembered as one of, if not the, best tackling CBs of the 2000s.

I'd love for him to chase a ring in Seattle. The talent in the secondary would be incredible...
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He left Buffalo without ever listening to an offer. He just wanted out after his rookie contract was up.

For that, I can not tout him, but I do respect he was the best tackling CB in the NFL for many years.
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