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Old 04-23-2013, 09:30 AM    (permalink
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Do you have any clue what you're talking about?
Darrelle Revis 40 dash 4.38

Richard Sherman 40 dash- 4.54
Johnathan Joseph 40 dash- 4.31
Brandon Flowers 40 dash-4.55
Patrick Peterson 40 dash-4.34
Lardarius Webb- 40 dash 4.46
Brandon Carr- 40 dash 4.44
Vontae Davis- 40 dash 4.49

7 Cb's right here who played very good ball last season. Two ran a 40 in the 4.3's. So if Revis slows down he'll be fine.

What do you have to say now?
I think you just made my point for me, that's what I have to say.

My point was specifically that CBs need elite speed to be effective. Once they lose speed, they're mostly useless.

Players lose speed as they age. A CB who ran a 4.3 40 in his late teens/ early 20s could be as slow as 4.8+ in his early 30s. That's where Revis is headed.
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Players lose speed as they age. A CB who ran a 4.3 40 in his late teens/ early 20s could be as slow as 4.8+ in his early 30s.
What the **** is this?
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What the **** is this?
I guess you think that players never lose speed as they get older right? Let's pull Charles Woodson to a track and he'll run a 4.3 40 just like he did when he was 21, right?

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Why is it that every time there is a discussion about cornerback 40's, everyone wants to compare what Revis ran at his Pro Day to what other corners ran at the Combine?
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I guess you think that players never lose speed as they get older right? Let's pull Charles Woodson to a track and he'll run a 4.3 40 just like he did when he was 21, right?

This dude is slow.
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I think you just made my point for me, that's what I have to say.

My point was specifically that CBs need elite speed to be effective. Once they lose speed, they're mostly useless.

Players lose speed as they age. A CB who ran a 4.3 40 in his late teens/ early 20s could be as slow as 4.8+ in his early 30s. That's where Revis is headed.
Yeah, man... That Ronde Barber guy was such a bust. Dude was too slow to hack it in the speedy NFL.
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Yeah, man... That Ronde Barber guy was such a bust. Dude was too slow to hack it in the speedy NFL.
I doubt Barber was that slow for any significant portion of his career.

But even so, he played his entire career in a Cover-2 scheme.

If you're not fast, you had better pray that you're playing in a Cover-2 behind a great pass rush...
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I doubt Barber was that slow for any significant portion of his career.

But even so, he played his entire career in a Cover-2 scheme.

If you're not fast, you had better pray that you're playing in a Cover-2 behind a great pass rush...
At least you said something useful and true, however saying older CB lose a tremendous amount of speed is way off in most cases and they make up for it with superb technique which allows them to overcome their gradual slowing down. If they lost a tremendous amount of speed, they would probably have to retire.
At 28, only Revis's injury might slow him down but I seriously doubt it is by much and athletes tend to regain their speed by season 2 after their injury if not sooner.
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I guess you think that players never lose speed as they get older right? Let's pull Charles Woodson to a track and he'll run a 4.3 40 just like he did when he was 21, right?

Right, because that's exactly what I said. You think that a 21 year old CB magically turns into a 4.8 or worse guy when he is 31-32 years old which should really disqualify you from saying anything useful in this thread.
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4.3 to 4.8? No shot man, if you are fast you are typically going to be fast for the duration of a career. Obviously they are going to lose some speed but I bet Woodson is still a 4.5 guy. The agility and quickness will go before the straight line speed.
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Right, because that's exactly what I said. You think that a 21 year old CB magically turns into a 4.8 or worse guy when he is 31-32 years old which should really disqualify you from saying anything useful in this thread.
Have you actually measured their speed? You'd be shocked by how much slower people get as they age.
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Have you actually measured their speed? You'd be shocked by how much slower people get as they age.
Have you?

Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?
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Have you?

Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?
I've actually talked to Greg Cosell about this subject. He tells me that none of the DBs in the NFL over 25 are faster than 4.5 40. You'd be shocked by how slow some of the players in the NFL are.
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And how many private workouts has Greg Cosell held in which he measures 40 times of players over 25 to make such assessments?
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They're going to lose some "speed" just because they aren't deliberately training to run fast and jump high at the combine. Add in-season fatigue, and I have no problem believing that very few NFL players actually run faster than a 4.5 when they're focusing on sport-specific training.

Also, a lot of people don't realize how fast 4.5 really is, or how high a 34" vertical jump really is, because High School coaches are notoriously bad at measuring these things. It doesn't help that every "explosiveness coach" with a book to sell is claiming to run a 4.4 and have a 45" vert.

I'm just going to ignore the broader discussion about Revis becoming worthless.
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Just to point out that Darrell Green was still winning the fastest man contest and still holding his own against anyone he lined up against at 42 years old....

And to point out anytime you hear about from a pro-day should be taken with a grain of salt, because they are inflated to help the draftee's stock hence why they are 99% of the time night and day different from the combine times if they ran both
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Have you actually measured their speed? You'd be shocked by how much slower people get as they age.
I'm starting to think you can't read. You do realize that there is a difference between "older players aren't as fast as the used to be when they came into the league" and "a 21 year old CB that runs a 4.3 is running a 4.8 or slower into their early 30's" right?


For somebody who just asked me if I have actually measured their speed, you in the same breath go on to list the specific age range they slow down and put a specific number on it, by saying 4.8 or slower. Nobody cares what you have to say if you haven't proven you can comprehend your own terrible argument.
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For Revis it isn't just about speed. If you've watched him ache ten , what he does so well is he redirects Wrs off their routes. He wins the mental match up. He's got excellent hips and speed is just a luxury. But 90-95% of the time Revis wins that battle within the first 5 yards.
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Isn't AcheTen the same guy who said he didn't want Barry Sanders on his team?
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Yeah that thread was pretty funny.
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Didn't Darrell Green run a 4.4 well into his 40's?
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Yup, at least into his late 30s for sure. That guy was an ageless freak of nature. He supposedly ran a 4.43 on his 50th birthday.
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I'd bet that I could count the number of CBs still playing that run slower than 4.8 on less than 1 finger. We're talking pocket passer QB speed here.
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