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Old 04-25-2013, 01:31 AM    (permalink
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O-linemen always do well as a whole here. I always found that strange, that any none QB position would score so well in comparison to others.
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I'm sure like 10% of the players actually tried to do good on the Wonderlic. It's a waste of time.
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I go to UVa, and as a well ranked college... the athletes are dumb as rocks... Like really, really dumb... what your school is ranked means absolutely nothing about the intelligence of the athletes.
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Old 04-25-2013, 09:59 AM    (permalink
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Yeah I've always wondered why Peppers' transcript got so much attention. Its way more common than people want to believe.

What kind of GPA do you need to stay eligible anyway? Quick mental math but I think he's a little above a 2.0 there, which is bad but good enough to stay eligible without pulling anything shady right?
I used UVa's GPA calculator and his grades come out to a 1.9... albeit UVA and UNC most likely have different grade scales. He was completely ineligible in 98'-99'.
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What kind of GPA do you need to stay eligible anyway? Quick mental math but I think he's a little above a 2.0 there, which is bad but good enough to stay eligible without pulling anything shady right?
I believe it's 2.0, but you only need a 2.3 in HS or something ridiculous to meet academic requirements for scholarships at many schools.
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I go to UVa, and as a well ranked college... the athletes are dumb as rocks... Like really, really dumb... what your school is ranked means absolutely nothing about the intelligence of the athletes.
This is true at a BCS school, but I would be surprised if the Ivy leagues had special curriculum designed just for their athletes, since their athletes aren't the cash cows that they are at the big D1 programs.
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This is true at a BCS school, but I would be surprised if the Ivy leagues had special curriculum designed just for their athletes, since their athletes are the cash cows that they are at the big D1 programs.
Schools like Stanford etc. have higher standards for their athletes, my neighbor and friend since childhood went to stanford on a track scholarship and she told me about the requirements being higher than what she had seen from other schools she was interested in going to like USC.
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Yeah I've always wondered why Peppers' transcript got so much attention. Its way more common than people want to believe.

What kind of GPA do you need to stay eligible anyway? Quick mental math but I think he's a little above a 2.0 there, which is bad but good enough to stay eligible without pulling anything shady right?
It got a lot of attention because he wasn't actually getting a 2.0 Almost all the "Bs" you see were added last minute in the spring/summer to keep him eligible and weren't real classes.
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Schools like Stanford etc. have higher standards for their athletes, my neighbor and friend since childhood went to stanford on a track scholarship and she told me about the requirements being higher than what she had seen from other schools she was interested in going to like USC.
I'm not too sure about the higher standard for athletes part, since not everyone on Stanford's football squad is a valedictorian like Luck and the average SAT score hovers around, I believe, the 1100-1200 range. But it's definitely safe to say that Stanford has no equals in the BCS world - not even northwestern or Vandy. Their sports program as whole has consistently been mind blowing; just look at the director's cup standing year in and year out.
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After taking a real Wonderlic, I can clearly see why some of these results could be so low. 1st of all their are 50 questions, and you have only 7 minutes. If you get stumped and waste 30seconds to a minute on a question you are going to have a low score regardless. The key to the wonderlic is to read the question as fast as you can and realize if you can figure it out. If you can't figure it out to move as fast as you can to the next question. You literally cannot waste any time.
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This is true at a BCS school, but I would be surprised if the Ivy leagues had special curriculum designed just for their athletes, since their athletes aren't the cash cows that they are at the big D1 programs.
There is some truth to that.

However, they do bend the rules when it comes to athletes at Harvard and other Ivy's or schools like the Ivy's.

The Ivy's do not offer any athletic scholarships, but they do cut corners for these athletes to come in to school there. There was a rower some friends of mine are acquainted with and he had a 1600/2400 on the SAT; he got into Harvard.

1600 isn't terrible, but its right around the national average. I don't think Harvard generally accepts kids who aren't athletes or refugees from some war-torn African country with SATs around 1600.
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There is some truth to that.

However, they do bend the rules when it comes to athletes at Harvard and other Ivy's or schools like the Ivy's.

The Ivy's do not offer any athletic scholarships, but they do cut corners for these athletes to come in to school there. There was a rower some friends of mine are acquainted with and he had a 1600/2400 on the SAT; he got into Harvard.

1600 isn't terrible, but its right around the national average. I don't think Harvard generally accepts kids who aren't athletes or refugees from some war-torn African country with SATs around 1600.
Oh most certainly the admissions are easier, but I'm just not sure Harvard would stoop so low to create speciality majors and hire B.S. faculty just for the athletic department like they do at almost all major schools.

Also, it's worth pointing out that the hardest part of the Ivy's is getting in (unless you're a Bush or something). After that it's not that much different than a school like UVA.
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After taking a real Wonderlic, I can clearly see why some of these results could be so low. 1st of all their are 50 questions, and you have only 7 minutes. If you get stumped and waste 30seconds to a minute on a question you are going to have a low score regardless. The key to the wonderlic is to read the question as fast as you can and realize if you can figure it out. If you can't figure it out to move as fast as you can to the next question. You literally cannot waste any time.
The questions are so insanely easy. It's basically an IQ test for children. If it takes you more than 30 seconds to answer any of the questions it's because you aren't very smart.
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the bottom line is that when the athletic program brings in a **** ton of money for the university and also gets more applicants then everybody wins. it's not like these guys are STEM majors (and if they are, they probably aren't Julius Peppers).
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the bottom line is that when the athletic program brings in a **** ton of money for the university and also gets more applicants then everybody wins. it's not like these guys are STEM majors (and if they are, they probably aren't Julius Peppers).
Except the athletic program usually doesn't bring in a ton of money. Very few athletic programs can even break even without student fees or contributions from the general fund.
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The questions are so insanely easy. It's basically an IQ test for children. If it takes you more than 30 seconds to answer any of the questions it's because you aren't very smart.
One question that always gets me is "What month has the closest amount of sunlight hours as September." I'm sure there is a way to know this, but I always just guess.

Probably the hardest question is "In printing an article of 48,000 words, a printer decides to use two sizes of type. Using the larger type, a printed page contains 1,800 words. Using smaller type, a page contains 2,400 words. The article is allotted 21 full pages in a magazine. How many pages must be in smaller type?" The answer is 17 but that is probably a 8th or 9th grade level algebra question that takes me about 90 seconds to solve. I would probably skip that one (if you are allowed) and finish it at the end if there was time.
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Brilliant letting one of Scott Pioli's henchmen have his own team to ruin.  One of the premier GM jobs in the NFL and it gets handed to a stupid **** who makes three facepalm moves for every good one.  Awesome.  Just like handing a new Mercedes to a 16 year old girl who's already been in three wrecks. 
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Except the athletic program doesn't bring in a ton of money. Very few athletic programs can even break even.
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ATHLETIC BUDGETS
2012

Total Revenue (millions)

1. Texas $163

2. Ohio State $142

3. Michigan $129

4. Alabama $124

5. Florida $120

6. Louisana State $114

7. Penn State $108

8. Auburn $106

9. Oklahoma $106

10. Tennessee $106



Total Expenses

1. Texas $129

2. Ohio State $116

3. Florida $111

4. Tennessee $106

5. Michigan $101

6. Wisconsin $100

7. Alabama $98

8. Oklahoma $98

9. Auburn $96

10. Louisiana State $96

Source: U.S. Department of Education
these are the extreme examples, but we're talking about the best athletic programs in the country and the best athletes in the country. and aside from just revenue/expense, you can't tell me ohio state's athletic department doesn't play a huge role in the university's overall endowment and marketability.

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Yeah not every team is profitable...unless you have alot of ticket sales(correllated to wins), have a tv contract, have alot of merchandise sales...most teams dont bring in a bunch of money.

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/emdm4...xas-longhorns/

those are the top 10 most profitable
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One question that always gets me is "What month has the closest amount of sunlight hours as September." I'm sure there is a way to know this, but I always just guess.
The Summer solstice is the sunniest day of the year, hence a "Midsummer Night's Dream" (thanks Shakespeare). This is either June 20 or 21, so March is the correct answer. That is pretty tough, however. The first time I took it I missed two (I guess, I got a 47). But anyone who gets less than half of them correct is just braindead, and I'm guessing that's the average for the players.
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Yeah not every team is profitable...unless you have alot of ticket sales(correllated to wins), have a tv contract, have alot of merchandise sales...most teams dont bring in a bunch of money.

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/emdm4...xas-longhorns/

those are the top 10 most profitable
you still have to reason that the athletic programs make the school a more attractive destination (i'm speaking specifically for undergraduate students).
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