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Old 04-26-2013, 06:42 PM    (permalink
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I'm not getting their logic there. Witten still looks great, Hanna looks like a decent receiving option, and there are bigger needs there like safety.
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Nooo -- this is Jason's draft, remember?

The almighty Jason Garrett, running this thing like a track meet. Looking to come in last.
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Lol. Even if frederick was gone, no one else is.

You're acting like a c/unt so shut up an add something to the discussion you puppet.
The guy constantly complaining tells someone else to add something to the discussion. That is rich.
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Everyone conveniently forgetting we passed on TYLER EIFERT. A star. To end up where we are now. Lol. Wow. Laughable.
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Offensive heavy. Oh boy. The same reasons I wanted Eifert in Round 1... those reasons come alive now with this pick. Escobar is legit folks.
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95%... too funny. vidae, SP, keak and Iamcanadian. okayyy

His versatility is a plus. I think he ends up at C.

I am excited about the ZBS. Really excited. But which positions on the OL demand mobility and quickness most? OG and OT. C much less so. What's gonna happen most likely? We'll be running both schemes like 95% of the league does. We'll be fine with Frederick. More than fine. C is the most important position on the line and we got a guy who's easy to fall in love with.
You know I got to thinking that just maybe, he'll play RT for the Cowboys, he's certainly big enough and must have some decent quickness if he's played a lot of OC.

As for his playing OC, I just cannot see it. He ran something like a 5.54 40 at the combine, hardly a # that would suggest he can play OC at the next level.
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The guy constantly complaining tells someone else to add something to the discussion. That is rich.
The guy who's brought more football insight to this board than anyone else. Ya, it is rich.
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Everyone conveniently forgetting we passed on TYLER EIFERT. A star. To end up where we are now. Lol. Wow. Laughable.
Eifert is a better in-line blocker but there's nothing that separates the two as pass catchers
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Offensive heavy. Oh boy. The same reasons I wanted Eifert in Round 1... those reasons come alive now with this pick. Escobar is legit folks.
Agreed but this is a flat out luxury.
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18 Gavin Escobar TE 6-6 255 San Diego State 8.05 I

Not a position of need but NFP has him as the #18 rated player in the entire draft. Would have prefered a DT there though
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Offensive heavy. Oh boy. The same reasons I wanted Eifert in Round 1... those reasons come alive now with this pick. Escobar is legit folks.
No where near the Prospect Eifert is.

Would have been better waiting for Travis Kelce.

Pathetic execution.

Not surprised you're in favor of it though. Eternal optimist.
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Eifert is a better in-line blocker but there's nothing that separates the two as pass catchers
Uhhh, how about speed, play making ability, and overall dominance.

Get out of here with that trash. People are just making stuff up now. You're telling me Eifert went 20 something slots earlier in the first round because he's a better inline blocker?

Please.
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This is just as pathetic as the 09 draft. What a garbage ******* pick.


Since drafting Jason Witten, our HOF and one of the best TEs in the history of the game, who btw is still on the roster and playing at a high level, we have wasted THREE second round picks on tight ends. THREE.
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Offensive heavy. Oh boy. The same reasons I wanted Eifert in Round 1... those reasons come alive now with this pick. Escobar is legit folks.
What separates this guy from Hanna though? Hanna has good speed, and I figured they'd try to work him in there this year instead of going TE early. If they wanted a good TE that could come up big on the goal line I can see, but Dez was pretty good there last year. I see them needing a blocking TE if they want the two TE set, so I'm not liking the direction here. Like with Frederick I didn't see him play, so I'm in "wait and see" mode here since I wanted a safety or a slipping Lacey.
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STRENGTHS - There isn't a more natural pass-catcher at the position than Escobar. He has super-long arms and big hands, and he consistently plucks the ball away from his frame. He is a graceful athlete with a long stride, and his future is bright because of his ability to stretch the field and go up to get the ball. He has surprising quickness and can quickly separate from defensive backs as he gets out of his break. Escobar has deceptive ability to run away from defenders and is a very polished route runner, using his head and shoulders to sell fakes.

WEAKNESSES - Escobar is not a great blocker who is going to overpower defenders in the in-line blocking game. He does a better job using his body to wall off a defender, but it is an area where he needs to improve if he is going to help his teammates. He might end up being a good blocker with some time in an NFL strength and training program, as he lacks the strength to line up and push players around the field.

SUMMARY - Gavin Escobar comes into the NFL at a perfect time for his set of skills. Teams are using the hybrid tight end to stretch the field with their length, long arms and ability to wall off defenders because of the size of their bodies. Escobar brings all of these skills to the NFL table and more as he has great hands and catches everything that is thrown at him. He consistently catches the ball away from his body, making it more difficult for defenses to cover him. He shows explosion in and out of his breaks, and he eats up cushion quickly when lined up from the slot. Linebackers can't stay with him because of his movement ability, and cornerbacks can't stay with him because of his size. His ability to run after the catch is truly underrated because he can move laterally and avoid the tackler, and then run into open space. He consistently can locate the ball, make an adjustment with his body and make the catch. This might be Escobar's best trait, and his biggest asset going forward. He makes tough catches look easy and will make a quarterback more accurate with his huge catching radius. He has incredible hands, and makes contested catches all over the field. Escobar is going to present significant challenges to NFL defenses because of his ability to play jump ball in the red zone and down the seam. If he can improve in the blocking area, he will be the complete package and a rock star in the NFL. He warrants consideration in the middle of Round 1, and should be in consideration to be the first tight end off the board in April.
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No where near the Prospect Eifert is.

Would have been better waiting for Travis Kelce.

Pathetic execution.

Not surprised you're in favor of it though. Eternal optimist.
The guy has hands of glue. Savvy pass catcher. Uses his hands and offers as much as you could want out of the TE position in YAC. His upside is better than Ertz and Kelce.
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Gavin Escobar = Aaron Hernandez
Hernandez was selected in the 4th rd by Patriots

Garrett could not get Bennett involved in the passing game for 4 years here. Mainly used as a Blocking TE.

I don't want to hear about 2-TE sets and the mismatches he can cause. We've been down this road before with Fasano and Bennett.

More pressing needs.....

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What separates this guy from Hanna though? Hanna has good speed, and I figured they'd try to work him in there this year instead of going TE early. If they wanted a good TE that could come up big on the goal line I can see, but Dez was pretty good there last year. I see them needing a blocking TE if they want the two TE set, so I'm not liking the direction here. Like with Frederick I didn't see him play, so I'm in "wait and see" mode here since I wanted a safety or a slipping Lacey.
Hanna's hands are no where close.
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Legit TE prospect or not, I don't quite get the fascination this franchise has with using premium picks on Tight Ends. This is the 3rd time in the past 7 years we've used a 2nd rd pick on a TE when we have Pro Bowler at that position.

Given we have Hanna, I really don't get it.
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I'd just assume stick with Hanna if you're going to take Escobar.

Holy **** this is a botched draft. First we draft for need, than draft for... I don't even know.

Just take Brad Wing in the 3rd so I can go jump off the Coronado bridge.

Tell me this people -- did the Cowboys do anything to get better in the NFC East?

Anything to move closer towards being a contender?

Escobar won't even contribute what Marty B did.

I'm hoping Frederick can come in and maul some people, but how much is that going to help the team?

RT still sucks. RG still sucks, unless Frederick plays there, but than center will suck.

Damn. Things couldn't be worse
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Hernandez was selected in the 4th rd by Patriots

Garrett could not get Bennett involved in the passing game for 4 years here. Mainly used as a Blocking TE.

I don't want to hear about 2-TE sets and the mismatches he can cause. We've been down this road before.
haha, but bennett couldn't catch.
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This is just as pathetic as the 09 draft. What a garbage ******* pick.


Since drafting Jason Witten, our HOF and one of the best TEs in the history of the game, who btw is still on the roster and playing at a high level, we have wasted THREE second round picks on tight ends. THREE.
I feel you bro. Unless you're going to get a potential star like Eifert that's too good to pass up, why do it?
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The only way this works for me is if Jason Garrett is ready to actually be creative in playcalling. If he isn't planning on featuring a slot WR (right now we don't have an every down slot guy) perhaps he's going to utilize Escobar flexed out and utilized properly.
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Hernandez was selected in the 4th rd by Patriots

Garrett could not get Bennett involved in the passing game for 4 years here. Mainly used as a Blocking TE.

I don't want to hear about 2-TE sets and the mismatches he can cause. We've been down this road before.
Yeah and the Patriots took Brady in Round 6.
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I would be extremely pleased with Swearinger. Another interchangeable guy. I can only hope they pick him at 47.

Bracing myself for him to be on the board and we draft a tier-2 TE or something ridiculous.

Maybe a 4th round running back? I could see Jerry popping wood for Kniles Davis. We shall see.
I must be clairvoyant -- a tier-2 TE or something ridiculous.

None of you expected this BS 10 min ago.

I was joking!! A joke. And it happens. Jesus **** me
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